Talk:Liu Xing Yu
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Unnecessary Hanzi?
The hanzi for the roles are a bit unnecessary as it leads nowhere in the case of trying to provide for English readers. Now, I understand why it would be essential for the artist as I do know many English readers would search for an artist through their hanzi. But for a role, I think not. And moreover, if following closely with the guidelines, there is no (<hanzi>) at the end of <character name> on cast. --Vivi.g 19:37, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
:If no further complaint, I will proceed removing the hanzi again. --Vivi.g 19:48, 14 Au 2009 (PST)
::this drama is not the only one you know
:::Yes, this isn't the only page with this "error". But as they say, if you don't start somewhere, you won't achieve anywhere. --Vivi.g 20:00, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
::::From what start?
:::::It's a figure of speech. --Vivi.g 20:04, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
::::::As for me, I don't get it
:::::::Marc8, do you have anything else that goes against my "theory"? If not, I will revert the page back to the other format.--Vivi.g 20:08, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
::::::::The reason why I want hanzi on characters because I' ll know the exact names on characters.
:::::::::I believe that that's what the pinyin is for. And keep in mind this is the DramaWiki guideline I'm following, not what I wanted. --Vivi.g 20:14, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
::::::::::This is no pinyin, it is romanization of Chinese language. For example, Ai, obviously means love. However, Ai can be means cloudy sky, to hide, narrow, etc. If you follow the DramaWiki guideline precisely, then there is a loophole in this guideline.
:::::::::::What you are pointing out is English translation. Which, yes, there are multiple meaning for almost every characters. But that, what you are exemplifying, has nothing to do with the way hanzi and pinyin are dealed here. This is not focusing on English translation, but rather converting hanzi into pinyin so they can be easily read by the English readers. Loophole or not, it is the guideline that is set for us to follow in here.--Vivi.g 20:39, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
::::::::::::What if the creator didn't realize that there is a flaw on character names? Why not ask Groink or Pinkpineapple about this? If they don't agreed about my concerns, then there is no need to debate on this any further. Just let you know, if they really honour your theory, they have a serious clean up to do.
To start off, I know absolutely nothing about Hanzi. From my understanding, Hanzi is not as clear cut as Kanji. When us Japanese editors romanize a given Kanji name, it is virtually indisputable because our Japanese romanization system is very specific. Given that, whenever an editor romanize Hanzi, we must trust the editor. We do at times have mis-transcriptions of the romanization, and we do correct it. Corrections are not a problem. As long as the person making the correction cites some sort of a reference, for example a trusted web site, the drama's official web site, Wikipedia (Japanese Wikipedia occasionally use spaced hiragana to aid in romanization), etc. we'll accept the correction. So in short, I don't think it is necessary to keep the Hanzi for character names for the reason of verification later on. I think a person who's very familiar with the drama is more than qualified to pick out incorrect romanization of character names without the Hanzi. I also encourage the fansubber of the drama to come to DramaWiki and make the corrections.
In short, the ONLY time Hanzi is left in an article is when the article (artist or drama title) hasn't yet been created. We leave the Hanzi in an article to help other editors search for articles referencing the Hanzi. Once the article is created, the editor will then hunt down all the articles containing the Hanzi, and then remove the Hanzi.
Again, I'm not an expert in Hanzi. But I do believe that Hanzi and Kanji have identical roles on DramaWiki. Groink 05:48, 15 Aug 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you for clearing up the disagreement. I do agree with you on the only time hanzi should be placed. I will revert the page now.--Vivi.g 21:28, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)
Copied the discussion regarding hanzi to DramaWiki talk:Chinese TV Show Article Formatting. Please make comments there instead. Groink 11:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
