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Test Message

Let me know if it works, ok? --MoerkJ✎ me a msg 21:06, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)


Yeah looks like it works. Btw I've been wondering how to link to a category thats not in the cateogry page starting from a certain position. It works if I make it an external like e.g.

[ L]

gives this


but totally fails if I make it in internal link


which gives this L I couldn't find anything in the wiki help either so maybe its not possible? Let me know if you find anything that works for internal link.

Perferred Spelling for Drama Wiki

Choi Gyu Hwan or Choi Kyu Hwan?

Thanks --Imian 14:51, 6 Aug 2008

I'm not really sure. According to our romanizing chart both is possible. I would prefer 'Kyu' because 'Choi' doesn't end with 'g'. Generally, I prefer McR over RR romanization. It always seems to me that McR is more common outside of Korea. (Also "Choi Kyu" seems to be more common than "Choi Gyu" when doing the Google-search-test.) --MoerkJ 17:20, 6 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Usage of Hangul letters in filenames

Okay I understand(Hangul turning to symbols, periods, italics if the language feature isn't present?), I guess I never though of that. I won't do that in the future, sorry. --Christaluvsazndramas16:35, 10 Aug 2008

Profile format

Is there a perferred way to name - Empas Profile / EMPAS Profile / Profile (empas) ? Thanks Imian 17:48, 31 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Well, it doesn't really matter, but I will stick to "Empas profile" in the future.
Another thing, don't forget to tag new articles as stubs if they have "holes" and need further editing. See DramaWiki:Stub categories for some examples. Happy editing! --MoerkJ talk 18:25, 31 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Image won't display

  • N ! 00:48 Image:Let\'sGetMarried KBS Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)
  • N ! 00:42 Image:Let'sGetMarried(KBS)Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)
  • N ! 00:22 Image:Let\'sGetMarried(KBS)Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)

Please help me with these image files. I cannot get them to show up on the image page or articles. Sorry about this. --Imian 08:29, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Why are you adding an apostrophe to all three filenames? You should only be using letters, numbers, dash (-) and underscore (_). Try using the filename "Lets_Get_Married_KBS-chart.jpg", which is in compliance with our recommendations on naming images. Groink 08:58, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)
I will stick to letters, numbers, dash (-) and underscore (_) from now on. I re-read the naming images article and my only excuse is that I was using the article name "Let's Get Married (KBS)" to name the image file.
Is is possible to add a reminder blurb about special characters to the Upload page? This an annoying problem ruined my evening goals.
However a problem still remains. When you click the "thumb" image in the article Let's Get Married (KBS) it takes you to a blank image page. It is probably because to begin with, I wrongly named the original image files. Please help. Thanks --Imian 19:28, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)
Yes, the apostrophe causes a problem here. You have to escape it with a '\' when linking the image. And if you upload a file which contains a '\' it becomes inaccessible and can't even be deleted through the wiki. Soon, I'll add a "How to upload images" page which will cover this and some other things I've planned. --MoerkJ talk 07:01, 29 Sep 2008 (CEST)
Thanks for the info. Sorry about causing more work for everyone. --Imian 07:13, 29 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Image hotlinking

Is there anything that can be done to prevent people from hotlinking images from DramaWiki? I've noticed in a few places that quite a few people are directly linking to images here. --unsigned message by Pinkpineapple 16:31, 30 Sep 2008

Yup, that's on our todo-list (with low priority). We might restrict hotlinking to a few selected sites (e.g. D-Addicts forum, and maybe a few others). --MoerkJ talk 18:42, 30 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Uploaded Image

Hi! I accidentally uploaded the wrong version of the Giragira banner twice, and made a mistake with uploading another image (the correlation chart). Can you delete my previous uploads? Btw, I couldn't save the images to below 100KB without compromising the quality... And sorry if my uploads made a mess out of the Recent Changes log. Thanks! --MochaValencia 06:17, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)

Done. I have removed the old revisions of the two images. And don't worry about the log. It doesn't have to "look good". ;) --MoerkJ talk 07:38, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)
Thanks! I'll be more careful next time. :D --MochaValencia 07:42, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)

Typo Removal Request - Relationship

I've just noticed a typo in Section 4.3 & 4.4 of the Help page that I was spreading when I labeled various Correlation/Relationship charts in TV Show articles. (I cut and paste a lot). I'll correct as I come across them. Thanks and sorry. --Imian 09:05, 11 Oct 2008 (CEST)

4.3 Example images without a div tag Image:Slowdancechart.jpg|thumb|350px|Relation c hip Chart - click to enlarge

4.4 Example images using the div tag Image:Slowdancechart.jpg|thumb|350px|Relation c hip Chart - click to enlarge

Question about Im Yoo Jin

Family: Daughter/actress Im Yoo Jin and daughter/actress Im Yae Won

For actor article Im Dong Jin, his daughter Im Yoo Jin was in 2 movies (Flower Island (2001) and Deep Blue (1997), but I don't think she was in any TV Shows. Does she need a DramaWiki link? Maybe she can just be "Daughter/movie actress Im Yoo Jin" --Imian 07:39, 12 Dec 2008 (CET)

Thanks for noticing. Indeed, I couldn't find any drama info either when checking on empas. I have added her just in case she had TV appearances that are just not listed on empas. After all she is a movie and musical actress and other family members are drama actors. Maybe I sensed some potential for a listing on DramaWiki.
I've just checked the nate movie index (another great information source!) and found two different actresses named Im Yoo Jin, i.e Im Yoo Jin (1974) and Im Yoo Jin (1981). Both have one or more TV shows listed in their filmographies. I haven't investigated further due to lack of time. Maybe there is potential for wikipages. I'll also change the link to Im Yoo Jin (1974) just to prevent any possible name collisions in the future. --MoerkJ talk 18:16, 19 Dec 2008 (CET)

Account Deletion Request

Please delete my DramaWiki account. Thank you. --Lady Zhuge 04:07, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)

I hope you will reconsider your "retirement". You made so many contributions which are surely appreciated by a lot of readers. Don't get upset so easily after having a little fight with another editor. By the way, Wiki accounts cannot be deleted, but you may leave a message on your userpage if you feel so. --MoerkJ talk 07:48, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)
Perhaps I overreacted, but I just really didn't appreciate Groink's hypocritical message of uniformity and essentially running a dictatorship as he sees fit. He's only familiar with the Japanese TV industry and yet tries to apply his philosophies to everything else. Anyway, thanks for clearing things up. It seems like you're the go-to person for rhyme and reason. I was not aware that TV movies can actually have their own articles created here on DramaWiki. I was also not aware that Wiki accounts cannot be deleted. Just out of curiosity, is it all user accounts or just those that have made at least one contribution? --Lady Zhuge 09:08, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)
Well, that's our groink. He surely has some temper. The best is to keep the discussion strictly technical and not to take his sometimes harsh words to heart. Apart from that he's doing a fantastic job.
To be honest, I'm not aware of any TV movie article on DramaWiki so far. And also I'm not sure how many TV movies are produced in Asia and if this format has any relevance for DramaWiki.
And regarding the user deletion... There exists no formular or special page for admins to delete a user. Officially, the MediaWiki software manuals say that users cannot (and should not) be deleted. I can delete a user entry directly in the database, but I don't know for sure whether there could arise data conflicts when deleting users with contributions or not. --MoerkJ talk 13:09, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)

Drama name - Can anyone help with this?

I would like to add a show profile for the 1994 MBC drama 마지막 승부 but I an uncertain what to call it. It already has several names (within artist profiles) in dramawiki - "The Last Game", "The Last Match", "The Final Game", "The Final Match", "Last Victory and Defeat". It is also called "The Last Dunk" and "Final Competition" at other web sites. Thanks. --Imian 22:25, 18 Feb 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interrupt, but hopefully this site might help you a bit?. The site url uses "last game", which I'm supposing is "The Last Game". I remember having some problems with names before as well and was told to use one that comes up most/popular on Google search engine. It also translates to "last game" in English as well from the Korean title. But I may be wrong, so hopefully someone else will reply also. --ladys07 04:12, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for interrupting ... "The Last Game" was my pick too but I wanted to check with y'all. --Imian 05:24, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)
Yes, The Last Game seems to be a good choice. --MoerkJ talk 07:20, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)

Banjun Drama Edits :)

Thanks for those - that helps me know how to do all this better :) i do have one question though - is the way I have formatted the titles acceptable? i.e. 'ENGLISH' (hangeul romanisation)

(I am getting translations for the ones i don't have - just waiting for confirmation) --unsigned message by Saharial 21:08, 30 Mar 2009 (CEST)

The format you have chosen is fine. It doesn't matter if some information (i.e. translations) is still missing. Other editors may fill the gaps later. Every contribution is very welcome. Another thing... please always sign your messages on talk pages. It's easier to read when you can see who said what. ^^ --MoerkJ talk 23:38, 30 Mar 2009 (UTC)

Banjun summaries

I have summaries for the JunJin episodes and, as time goes on i will add in those for all the ones i actually have, but i wanted to get formatting sorted before i begin seeing asthere are a lot of them!

  • Should i organise the summaries into alphabetical order by main actor/actress as they did do 'seasons' of banjuns. Obviously the order would go JunJin - TVXQ and then later i can add in Andy, Bi, Eric before junjin etc etc? I ask because I don't want to be accused of bias as I am taking the junjin summaries from my own website (i give myself permission haha)

Does this make sense? --Saharial 07:23, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)

One thing you might want to monitor is the size of Banjun Drama. MediaWiki doesn't actually have a limit, but we do try to keep the articles to a certain size (in KB) so that it makes for easier editing. As of this writing, Banjun Drama is 10KB. Wikipedia uses the 60KB rule, at which then the article may need to be chopped into multiple articles. As an example, Drama Complex and Kayo Drama Gold, we create a separate article for each episode in this series. Looking at the potential growth of the article, at 87 episodes, this will be the largest article in all of DramaWiki, and therefore you may want to do the same thing as we're doing with the other series. Groink 09:13, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)
Yeah it would be nice to have some kind of grouping (maybe similar to the way they did it in the Soompi Banjun thread). If the article gets too big, then we should break it into several smaller pages. We can link from the episode listing to the (sub)pages. --MoerkJ talk 09:23, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips on page size and yes, thats a really good point about how big it will get!!Based on your suggestions i would think that where the summaries are now there could be a list of grouped summaries each with their own page and the episode lists could have links to the pages those episodes are on so that anyone interested in the other stars can get to them easily too. Either that or there is one page/episode which could include the OST and any other trivia and the page is linked via the episode guide. I'm glad i asked now! ^^ --Saharial 11:04, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)

Rating Table Class

Ok, thanks for letting me know (*^_^*). This definitely makes things a lot easier.

252 Seizonsha ari: Episode ZERO - image upload

Hi :) I've created a new page for the drama SP '252 Seizonsha ari: Episode ZERO'

And since I can't upload pictures, here's the DVD cover:

External link for DramaFever

Dfever had posted links to Kdrama video [1]. I want to run it by you that it's okay for him to do so. He stated all the video are legally licensed from the network. --WaterOB 15:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Our guidelines don't allow such links. I'll discuss this further on Dfever's talkpage. --MoerkJ talk 19:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

problem with the new system

I have been experiencing two major problems with the new system.
1. When I don't log in, the drama/ost/currently airing lists are outdated. New articles I added don't appear. 2. When I uploaded an image, File:Ko3s2.jpg, the system couldn't create a thumbnail image. It gives the following warning messages:
- Error creating thumbnail: Unable to run external programs in safe mode.
- Warning: escapeshellarg() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/wiki/domains/ on line 1321
Please help. --WaterOB 06:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the first issue, but I'm definitely experiencing problem #2 as well. I only receive this error with certain pages, such as Ryu Sang Wook and The Man Who Can't Get Married. --Hanjae 08:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting the thumbnail error with all the recently uploaded images (as of yesterday). But it's a first for The Man Who Can't Get Married. --Cerise 11:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. It seems, for some reason certain php functions have been disabled in php.ini a few days ago. I have re-enabled some of the filesystem-related functions which DramaWiki needs for image handling (i.e. uploading and thumbnailing) and other things. So, this issue should be fixed now. If you still see some of these grey error boxes then try to force-reload the page or purge the article first. (If purging doesn't work then you might have to null edit the article.) --MoerkJ talk 15:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

MBC Drama Name

I would like to create an article for a 1999 MBC Sat-Sun evening drama 남의 속도 모르고. The only name that comes to mind (pun intended) is "No Mind". I welcome any help from anyone. Thanks --Imian 13:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"No Mind" most likely isn't the proper title or a useful translation. As far as I know, iMBC often uses poorly translated fragments of the original titles for their drama URLs. If the English title is unknown you could use the romanized form of the original title, i.e. Namui Sogdo Moleugo. Btw, there exists at least one movie and a popular song with the same title. Someone translated the song name to "You Don't Know My Feelings". But I don't know if this is a good translation. --MoerkJ talk 16:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks...I'll check out those sites and work on it some more...Recently I figured out some fragments tom shot meant Tomorrow Shot = Shoot for Tomorrow / Aim for Tomorrow --Imian 02:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Star sign

I would like a line added to Korean Artist Article Formatting: Profile_section notes about the "Star sign" entry, along with a corresponding link to our Glossary of terms containing an expanded definition of the star signs and dates. Thanks. --Imian 22:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC) p.s. I'll add the definition to the Glossary of terms

Good idea. I added the explanation for the star sign profile entry. --MoerkJ talk 20:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Greetings and cannot upload a photo

Hi MoerkJ, thanks for setting my account up. I have started editing the Hiroko Sato page, did a rename of the page to English name order so it was easier to find and will keep working on the article to get it up to scratch. I tried to upload a later photo from her old Tokyo agent FITONE that I have pemission to use but this requires administrative access. Can you point me to someone who can do this as the existing photo is over 5 years old. --Hutch 03:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry. You still cannot upload images, because you don't have the "autoconfirmed" user status, yet. Two days after account creation and after 10 edits users are automatically confirmed editors and can upload files. This is a some kind of protection because we don't want (new) editors to upload and replace lots of images. --MoerkJ talk 07:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I should have the edit count up high enough shortly. Have no fear, I will not be uploading any junk at all. Hutch 08:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You're My Pet

A new article, You're My Pet, was recently started for the Korean version of Kimi wa Pet. However, the editor seems to have mistakenly read the news as referring to a new drama; the Korean version that is in casting at the moment is actually for a film. The translation and Korean source for this news is here. --Hanjae 14:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Honto ni Atta Kowai Hanashi

Hi MoerkJ =)

Recently, I've been working on the Honto ni Atta Kowai Hanashi page since it was incomplete. However, it's a bit complicated format wise, and I've consulted groink about it as well. If you could look at the page, I've done season 1 and most of the tanpatsu. I'll be adding in a synopsis, and season 2 and the rest of the tanpatsu specials. but, I was wondering what you think of how I formatted it. I'm happy to change it in any way that's best for drama wiki, so your suggestions will be great.

Just to give you a little background on it, this drama consists of 2 regular seasons but more recently, it has just turned into a yearly tanpatsu (from around 2005 it made that switch). Each episode consists of 3-5 mini-dramas with a bunch of different actors in each of the mini-drama (thus the extensive cast list). So template-wise, I was thinking of just having the list of cast for the regular season. For the tanpatsu part, its very similar to Yonimo Kimyo na Monogatari, so as per groink's suggestion, I followed the template of Yonimo for the Honto tanpatsu series.

So please take a look at the page and let me know what you think. As long as I can preserve the information I'm more than happy to change it in any way =) --previously unsigned message posted by IwaseJEN on 18 May 2010 at 08:30

The page structure looks fine to me. Splitting the tanpatsu specials to separate pages is also a good idea if they differ a lot from each other (different plot, cast, etc) and contain enough information to stand on their own. I guess you will link to the specials/tanpatsus that aired before season 1 in a similar way. I'm just wondering because I saw some related shows from 1999-2003 and 1991/1992 on the Japanese Wikipedia article (which I don't understand at all).
Actually we don't really have (or need) an exact "design template" for series that consist of independent stories. So, you don't really need to worry about the page design. For example, we have several articles on kdrama series (sometimes called "omnibus dramas") which consist of independent segments. All these articles are structured very differently and have a different level of detail, e.g. Hometown Legends, Love Story (SBS), Vacation, Beating Heart. --MoerkJ talk 12:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your input =) I've looked at some of the examples you listed, and I quite like the Hometown Legends one. I realized that if I add in Season 2 on to the page, the page is going to be very very extensive and perhaps even confusing. So, with that in mind I'm thinking of actually creating a seperate page for Season 1 and Season 2 like I did for the seperate specials. That way I can keep everything more organized and it'll probably be more easier to look at. So, if I create the seperate pages for the seasons, like the Hometown one, I can have the Episode one etc be the titles and also have subtitles of the mini-drama within each episode etc. I've tried doing a sample just to see what it would look like and it did indeed look more organized than just listing season 1 and season 2 on the same page.
Also, yeah it gets even more complicated b/c before the regular seasons they had a few specials. They moved around time slots often, they used to be part of the Friday Entertainment slot, then they had 2 regular seasons, but now they're part of the Kayo Special slot. I'll make sure to add all that in =) Thanks again. --IwaseJEN 18 May 2010

Romanization of 중

Would you mind if I change Dal-Jung's Cinderella to Dal Joong's Cinderella? Your Revised Romanization translation is correct, but for the charaacter 중, Joong instead of Jung seems to be the norm for Dramawiki.
On the same subject - Can you please take a look at the DramaWiki table on my user page? I would like add it (or something like it) to DramaWiki. Thanks --Imian 07:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, according to our guidelines for korean name romanization it should be rather Dal-Joong than Dal-Jung. I probably didn't noticed what I was romanizing here.
Where do you want to integrate that table? There exist already good websites which explain romanization and pronounciation in detail, e.g. Btw, the table uses the class "MainPageBG" which is nowhere defined in DramaWiki. --MoerkJ talk 16:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I took so long to reply...I was thinking about putting a table for some common names right after the main table in our guidelines for korean name romanization.
You're right - they are a lot of good websites that explain romanization, but they were usually biased towards using some subset of the revised romanization endorsed by the S Korean government (Gim/Kim, Bak/Park, Yi/Lee) - and it took me quite a long time to understand the rules and the DramaWiki exceptions to the rules (Yun/Yeon, Yoon/Yun, Suk/Seok, Sook/Suk). I had always thought that it would be nice to have more examples of what was "preferred DramaWiki romanization" in our guidelines. Thanks --Imian 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
What we use here for names is basically some kind of simplified McCune-Reischauer romanization using only the letters A-Z and no breves or apostrophes. So, for the vowels we'd use u instead of ŏ (ㅓ), and eu instead of ŭ (ㅡ). The rest is more or less straight-forward.
Personally, I never learned Korean and have the same problems. When I'm unsure, I just use our Google-searchbox or a little romanization tool I programmed myself to find the transcription for certain letters. Maybe having a list with some examples would be helpful for a few editors. But, I think, it would just give the wrong impression that there exists an exact transcription that is always the right one. Some artists prefer a different romanization for their name (or parts of it). --MoerkJ talk 23:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
You do have a point there...translation is not an exact science...I'll put this idea on the back burner for now...Thanks --Imian 23:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to pop in here, but I've been wondering about the romanization of "eo" (ㅓ) for awhile now. For stylistic reasons, I can understand the appeal of using "uh" over "eo" when it's at the beginning (Uhn), but I've had many a discussion with Korean friends and they all stress that "uh" is only used to help people visualize the sound for "eo." It's not really correct. For names like "Seo", it particularly sticks out like a sore thumb. I know we also try to use what's most common on the Internet to ease searching, and "Seo", "Yeon" and "Jeon" are far more commonly used than "Suh", "Yun" and "Jun." The other problem with the latter two is that it's very easy to look at it and read it as "Yoon" and "Joon" if you're unfamiliar with Wiki guidelines and the reading of hangul, and probably confuses searchers more than anything. --Hanjae 03:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, the guidelines for Korean personal names were fixed in 2006 and describe in a consistent way how we romanized the names in 2005 and 2006. The guidelines apply only if (1) there is no official romanization provided by the artist or his/her agency, and (2) no commonly used romanization can be found (through a Google-test for example). If you think the guide needs to be changed or further specified in some way then you may post a proposal on its talkpage. Btw, it looks like the romanization of ㅓ has been discussed before. --MoerkJ talk 12:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello Moerkj

Is it better to do nothing than to make a few mistakes? I've created a few pages on wiki.d-addicts and I've made a few mistakes sometimes ( bad translation of a name or a word). I've also corrected other's mistakes sometimes.

Obviously, when making a small mistake here, you have someone leaving you a message telling to to read all the rules again, blablabla... I guess unless you're sure to create a perfect page, it's better to do nothing, but why the "edit" button then? It's not needed!!!!

Personnally, I think that when you create a page full of informations and that you have to edit all the links related to the page, you can make a few mistakes at the end, when you get a bit tired, that's human.

I'm done with the wiki but when I think of the time I've wasted here....

best regards --20CB 14:30, 10 July 2010

Don't take it too personal. Everybody has to learn how to edit a Wiki. The other editors just want to be helpful. They are pointing you to our guides so they don't have to cleanup your edits. And yes, the information is more important than its representation. --MoerkJ talk 16:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Jump / 跳出去 & Shi Quan Jiu Mei / 十全九美

A user recently created pages for these two Singaporean films: Jump / 跳出去 and Shi Quan Jiu Mei / 十全九美. Films aren't supposed to have their own pages and I guess the new user didn't know that. --C51236 21:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I have deleted them. --MoerkJ talk 22:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
No problem. Should the Leon Jay Williams film section should be fixed too? --C51236 22:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll fix that. --MoerkJ talk 23:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin vs. Telecinema (Heaven's Postman)

I noticed that a user created a separate page for Hero Jaejoong & Han Hyo Joo's drama/film Heaven's Postman.. One is Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin and the other is the Telecinema article. This was a joint project between Korea and Japan. Should these one act dramas each have their own page? Or should the Telecinema page be deleted then? It's a bit confusing as there's two different links for one drama on Jaejoong's page. --C51236 00:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

IMHO, the page Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin is redundant. All useful information should be merged into the existing Telecinema article. For co-productions we list the air dates and titles for both countries (see Friends 2002 or Tree of Heaven). Splitting the seven Telecinema tv-movies into separate pages may be a good idea. In that case Telecinema should be kept as an index page for the separated pages. The index can look like other articles of one-act drama series (i.e. Drama City, Drama Special, MBC Best Theater, or Banjun Drama). --MoerkJ talk 09:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I made a start on splitting the seven telecinema episodes into separate pages by merging all the useful information from Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin and its section under the Telecinema page into Postman to Heaven (its official English title). However, I just realized that aside from the air date of Postman to Heaven, which some helpful fans provided, most (if not all) of the remaining episodes are only listed on Korean websites by their "release date." I assume that's the date they were first released in CGV theatres, not broadcasted on SBS. Should I include the release date as one of the headings under the episode details in place of the broadcast date, then? --Hanjae 11:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, I'd list all known TV boadcast dates in the top details section. Although the Telecinema parts were originally produced as theatrical movies, the movie release dates rather belong to the notes/trivia section. Maybe, all the missing SBS tv air dates can be found through google. For example, I could find 2011-Feb-04 25:20~27:00 as air date for "Triangle". But I'm unsure whether that was a re-run or not. Btw, using the SBS planner, you can find out the exact air time for "Love is Blind" (18:10~20:00).
Finally, i think the after-midnight air date for "Postman to Heaven" is mixed up somehow. Looking in my calendar, shouldn't it be either "Friday 2010-Sep-24 24:40 to 26:35" or "Saturday 2010-Sep-25 0:40 to 2:35"? The first notation seems to be the one we use. --MoerkJ talk 22:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh, that's a good point re: the air date for Postman to Heaven; I never even noticed that mistake when I did the merging. Fixed it to reflect the former notation method.
I've seen the 2011-Feb-04 date for "Triangle" on Korean torrents as well. 25:20 would be 1:20am on Feb 5th though, technically. Do we use the latter format once it goes past the midnight hour? --Hanjae 03:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, the guide doesn't explicitly mention how to treat after midnight shows. All the Friday/Saturday late night JDrama pages use a 24/25/26 hour air time. Many Korean programm schedules use this notation as well (see links above, and File:AGBNielsen 2005-08-28 day tv.pdf). So, I think we better stick with that. --MoerkJ talk 21:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Mobile dramas?

Hi MoerkJ, I just wanted to find out dramawiki's stance on mobile/cell phone dramas. A user made a page for it, so before I let them know (if I need to) I wanted to double check regarding how we handled mobile dramas. I believe this was brought up a while ago with, here's a reference, does that still stand? If so would I just mark the page for deletion and let the user know about it? Thank you~ --iwaseJEN

Well, honestly, I'm not familiar with cell phone dramas. I have no idea how many of such dramas exist and if they are really exclusively produced for cell phones. Actually I think we should accept all dramas to be included in DramaWiki. So, it shouldn't matter whether the series (or drama specials) are distributed through terrestrial/cable/satellite TV or straight to media (i.e. VHS, DVD, iTunes, USB sticks, or other modern media including app stores). As long as the format and production quality is similar to the TV shows it should be ok for DramaWiki. Perhaps it should be noted on the page that it is exclusively distributed thought the web or appstores (or whatever BeeTV is). Btw, Himitsu no Kankei ~Sensei wa Doukyonin~ is also listed on IMDb just like other tv shows are. --MoerkJ talk 23:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi MoerkJ~ Thanks for your input =) Cell phone dramas are solely for cell phone users and can only be viewed in Japan. For example, Bee TV, it was created by docomo and avex (a cellphone provider company and a talent agency respectively) And you pay money to watch it. And according to the site, it says that for example Bee TV is exclusively for docomo users. But I do agree with your stance on regarding all dramas as, well, dramas XD. I'll leave it be and perhaps add a note to the page as you suggested. Thanks again ^^ --iwaseJEN

new cable networks jTBC & MBN

So Korean cable networks have been launching over Korea this past December. Two of them are jTBC and MBN. I was wondering if you could add them to the list of stations in the KDrama category. There's also another one, TV Chosun? But I do not know if CSTV is the same abbreviation for that or not... The category for that cable network has not been created yet. Thanks! --C51236 05:51, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'll integrate the four new channels into {{KDrama}}. --MoerkJ talk 19:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting Request

I'm sorry if I bother you, but i accidentally uploaded an image that should be uploaded to another page. Please delete it so i can upload it on another link. thanks... this is the link of image that i want to delete: File:Kwak Dong Yeon 1.jpg --previously unsigned message posted by Podeclover on 18 May 2012 at 17:32 (CET)

Done. Btw, you can easily mark pages and images for deletion with no need to ask anyone for help. Thanks and happy Wiki'ing. --MoerkJ talk 15:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


There's a problem with the page Hua Kai Ban Xia. It says "There is currently no text in this page", but the page was definitely created. When you try to compare different versions under the history tab, the following message appears: "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "(fixme, bug)". This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted. If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL." --Lady Zhuge 14:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

It seems that the last copy got lost somehow. Or maybe saving the last edit didn't succeed. You can access older copies through the page history. Just select the most recent available one and edit&save it again to fix this error. --MoerkJ talk 15:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Mini-movies / Webisodes

Hi MoerkJ, I noticed there is a sharp increase in made-for-web-TV with Chinese dramas. Do we list them under TV Dramas, Movies, or a separate category such as Webisodes? One example is Rainie Yang's 3-episode mini-movie Wishing for happiness, which first aired on Yahoo. --WaterOB 03:35, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Good question. We had a similar issue with Japanese "mobile dramas" (see discussion above). I think we should continue to list all "WebTV" or "mobile series" together with "traditional television" series. IMHO it doesn't make much sense to create separate sections to distinguish all different kinds of media channels. And if there exists some kind of webtv channel on Yahoo then we can create a separate category like the one for BeeTV. --MoerkJ talk 18:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

User Marc8

Hi MoerkJ, I want advice on what to do with editor Marc8. He is a good contributor, except that he has an annoying propensity to move actor/actress pages for no good reason. An example is Lee Jenny vs Lee Je Ni. Obviously, both names apply to the actress. My philosophy is to leave the page as whatever name it was created under. He would move it. The problem I have with his edit is that it's not consistent. He move some to Korean/Chinese names and others to English names. Ugh! It irritates me to find all kinds of redirect under the cast section. Since it's not vandalism, I'm not sure what to do. Is there a way to make him stop? Or, should I let he continue with his "page moving" rampage? --WaterOB (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too. I cannot comment on the quality of his page moves. But as long as the new pagename seems to be correct (or at least a proper romanization) it should be ok to move the article. I assume he's just creating AKAs in good faith. Creating AKAs by renaming/moving articles is fine, as long as there won't be any name clashes for persons with similar or same names. Disambiguating such pages can become difficult because you may need to fix a lot of links. A real pain can be manually created redirects (or copy redirects) because normal users cannot move over such redirects. Admins have to delete blocking redirects to make way for the move. If a move seems weird we can still re-rename the page (move over redirect) anytime.
Funny thing is, I just noticed that Lee Je Ni's actual artist name seems to be neither Lee Jenny, Jenny Lee, nor Jennie Lee but Jennifer Lee.[2] --MoerkJ talk 16:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Question about Romanization of Names

Hi MoerkJ, I have a quick question about romanization of names. As an example, I noticed you created a disambiguation page for Mori Koko (old and young). However, young Mori Koko is fine, but older Mori Koko should be Mori Kouko (もり こうこ) and her agency link also says Kouko. With the romanization you use in Dramawiki, do you drop the 'u'?

And speaking of which, I've always wondered about the other names that seem to follow that pattern. Like some are Kouji and others are Koji, and I'm assuming some of that depends on how the agency romanizes it, but others, I wonder which you should go by. I know that for the long vowels, you would make it singular, like ooshima-->oshima. I have read through the guidelines, but I was confused about the 'ou' usage. A major thank you in advance, as this would clear up a lot for me XD --Shigesuke87

Thanks for noticing. First, I don't really understand the Japanese language and its romanization. DramaWiki:Romanization of Japanese sets our guidelines. I only know that there were several wapuro related discussions and many article name changes in the past. I will redirect Mori Koko (1929) to Mori Kouko to be in line with the official page. It looks that I got confused with the different romanizations here. We have indeed several redlinks to Mori Kouko (森康子). And some dramas that are listed for the young actress seem to belong to the page of the old lady. Maybe some of our jdrama experts can help fixing that. --MoerkJ talk 16:27, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Well I'm familiar with the romanizations, but just not with what's used here, for some I see consistency, for others not so much, so that led to my confusion lol. But thanks for the links to the discussions, I'll try and read through some to see if it'll clarify anything! =) --Shigesuke87

IRIS II page

Hi MoerkJ,

First of all, is there a staff member list? Particularly a list including people with authority, so I know who to contact?

Secondly, Harukasumire and I disagree with something. Harukasumire thinks that IRIS and IRIS II should be on the same page, following Dramawiki Style guide. On the other hand, I think IRIS and IRIS II should be on separate pages. IF we were to keep IRIS II on IRIS' page, I think we should change formatting and the flow of the article because it looks very awkward. Also, the Style guide mentioned something about reader fatigue. I think there's too much information on IRIS' page, so perhaps it would be better to make a second page. For Harukasumire and my conversation, please check out my user talk. --Msmall92 (talk) 15:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

On my userpage there is a link to the DramaWiki admin list. You can also post in the DramaWiki discussion thread of our forum, see DramaWiki:Questions. Keep in mind that the admins mainly exist to do certain administative tasks (e.g. blocking vandals, deleting pages, or changing protected pages). They are not meant to find consensus on every editing discussion.
Usually all article related matters should be discussed on the article's talk page. I will create some "help seek" templates similar to the ones on Wikipedia. This should make it easier for editors to draw attention to discussions or to ask for admin help.
If IRIS II is officially a second season of IRIS then it can be added as a "Season 2" section. We do it this way with almost all multi-season dramas. If you think it should be on a separate page then I recommend to discuss this on the appropriate talk page. --MoerkJ talk 13:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

New Format!?

Hey MoerkJ, I recently noticed that someone added a new birth date template, where it's Month day, year (age), and I was just wondering if we were changing over to that? I doubled checked with the editing page and it still says "YYYY-Month-Day" so I was really confused, since one of the user was going around changing formats for some of the actresses pages. Please let me know if we're using that format or not, otherwise someone should give those editors a heads up, before they change the other pages. Thank you! -- Shigesuke87

No, we keep sticking to the format described in the style guides. User:Waf has copied that template from Wikipedia and used it here without discussing it first(, which is ok). Maybe I'll change the output of the {{birth date and age}} template so that it matches with our present formatting to avoid further confusion. The actual benefit of the template is the age calculation. --MoerkJ talk 06:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about that all, I forgot to change the date format before MoerkJ caught it. Waf (talk) Hello! Goodbye! 00:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Weird glitch?


So I noticed a weird glitch or whatever the heck it is in this page: Category:KOST (I removed this formatting, [[]]... I don't think you're an OST, LOL.) This "glitch" I'm talking about only occurs when you're not logged in. So you have to log out your username to see the "glitch". When you see the category (logged out), there are several OST pages missing from the list, such as 7th Grade Civil Servant OST, IRIS OST, IRIS II OST, That Winter, the Wind Blows OST, Yawang OST, and many more. It seems like the glitch does not include the recently created OSTs. I'm confused why this is happening. Is this normal? --Msmall92 (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, normally this shouldn't happen. This is a bad effect of server side caching. All anonymous readers (user who are not logged in) get served with cached html pages. Usually a category page should be up-to-date as soon as a new page gets added to (or removed from) the category. You can enforce page updates by purging pages. I have just purged Category:KOST and deleted all other category pages from the server's file cache. Besides that there may exist cache problems on the client side that you can solve by bypassing or clearing your browser's cache.
To link to special pages (categories, templates, images, etc.) you have to add a colon in front of the namespace. To link to Category:KOST you need to write [[:Category:KOST]]. --MoerkJ talk 21:15, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

contributing to d-addicts

I know I am relatively new on this wiki, but I would like to help it in any way possible. I am not a real active user of editing wikis, but rather administrative tasks/back-end type stuff. Is there any good place for me to get started on this? Thanks. Waf (talk) Hello! Goodbye! 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking but there is no back-end or administrative server work to be done. Actually I'm not the server owner and cannot grant you access to the server. Most of the administrative work (i.e. maintenance) is done through the web interface of the wiki and can be done with normal user privileges. Admin privileges are only needed for deleteing pages and files and for some customizations. If you want to edit protected pages you can always post proposals on the belonging talk pages. --MoerkJ talk 15:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I looked at the Main Page and remembered I asked you about the vector theme. Is there any way I can help with that? Also, regarding bots: would folks be against writing a bot that goes around and adds the birth date template to pages? Waf (talk) Hello! Goodbye! 01:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the Vector theme.. honstly I don't see the benefit for DramaWiki at the moment. Just go to the history of a page and replace action=history with useskin=vector to see the difference. I understand why Wikipedia uses it but IMHO we don't need it. WP has a more complex side bar (the main menu, five collapsible menus plus the language menue) and with Vector they moved the search form to the top right corner to improve accessibility a little. We have only a main menu (navigation), the toolbox and two search forms. It is very compact and is just perfect like it is. I also checked WP:CLASS to see if Vector offers anything new, but I couldn't find anything.
We've never been using bots at DramaWiki. So far nobody requested specific bot tasks. I'd discussed the bot topic only a few times with no progress. I guess nobody had the skill and/or possibility to program and to test a bot. Until today I have made some minor changes (mostly trivial cleanups or fixes) directly inside the database using SQL REPLACE queries.
Do you have any experience creating a wikibot? If so, which framework do you want to use? Before we can allow a bot on DramaWiki we would need to test it first on a mirror or test server. --MoerkJ talk 21:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I would agree with you on the fact that this wiki is not as complex as Wikipedia, but is there a harm in changing the default theme to Vector? IMO, it does look more appealing than the old theme (thus I would gander as to why Wikipedia created the "Wikipedia Usability Initiative").
I do not have any experience with a wikibot, but I have dealt with quite a few frameworks. I completely agree that there would need to be tests done on mirror/test servers. EDIT: I would most likely write it in Python, though the wiki would have to support it. Otherwise, I could just do it in PHP.
Side note, is there someone I can contact regarding the server itself (not necessarily related to the wiki)? Waf (talk) Hello! Goodbye! 04:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Several modifications of the monobook skin need to be ported to the Vector skin first (e.g. the web search, the banner ads for anon readers, and perhaps some CSS modifications). Together with the Vector skin I also want to add/enable some extensions. Some of them are needed for the switch to the Vector skin. Some make future upgrades easier because they make certain modifications unnecessary. Only when this is all done then I can make Vector the default skin. Unfortunately some of the changes take some time because the MediaWiki software underwent a lot of changes compared to old version we used before. You can check the progress by switching already to Vector in your user preferences and/or by browsing anonymously using the "useskin" trick.
Ruroshin is the "owner" of the server. The best way to reach him is via email, because he rarely checks the wiki or the forum for PMs. --MoerkJ talk 21:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Easy question first: how would I email Ruroshin? I don't think he has his email anywhere that I could find. EDIT: I found a d-addicts email on the forum; I assume that works fine?
Second, is there anything I can do to help with porting the stuff and whatnot with the monobook skin to vector? -- Waf (talk) 02:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Better use the mail address that I had sent you via wiki-email. I'm not sure if the old address from the forum profile is still in use. Well, most of the work is done. Only some cleanups, the documentation of the changes, and some testing of the skin needs to be done. --MoerkJ talk 04:18, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Ah, ok. side note: gmail likes to think d-addicts mail is spam for some reason. -- Waf (talk) 04:40, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Pages for vocalists

Hello MoerkJ! I'm not sure if you're the right person to be asked about this, but what do you think about creating pages for vocalists who have participated in Original Soundtrack for Korean Dramas? For example - Baek Ji Young has participated in a lot of OSTs over the years. I think that those who have a solid record of OST participation such as Baek Ji Young, Yesung (Super Junior), and so on deserve a page listing all of their OST participation. Since this website is only related to Dramas, we would only list their OST participation other than the "Profile" information. Please let me know what you think! --Msmall92 (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

You may add a page for any artists who are directly related to drama. IMHO, this also includes musicians who contributed a lot to dramas. But... don't be surprised (or discouraged) if another editor marks such a page for deletion because (s)he thinks that the drama-relation is not big enough for an addition. --MoerkJ talk 21:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


How can I upload picture here?

Is there any link?

Please answer on my page

Thanks in Advance

--Zinzinzibidi (talk) 03:28, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. --MoerkJ talk 01:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, buddy. --Zinzinzibidi (talk) 08:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Table format for TV station's listing

Hi there!

I had changed the drama listing for a particular timeslot to table format. It was driving me nuts, seeing the ratings unaligned. Thus far I have changed for the Drama24 (TV Tokyo) page and the Mon slot for TBS. Is it OK? If it isn't, please do let me know. I will revert it back to before. If it's OK, I will update the rest for the Japanese TV stations.

Cheers! BaBa (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it looks better when using tables for more complex structured text (i.e. with more than two columns). I reduced the table styles in Drama24 (TV Tokyo) to a minimum and kept using the styles which are already defined by class wikitable (e.g. for centering and bolding the first column). Also, I added some more ratings.
Below I added a comparision of the two table styles defined in DramaWiki. I guess for most users here it is hard to understand what these classes actually do.
class wikitable class ratingtable
Where defined
Header cells
(which start with "!")
  • centered and bold text
  • light blue background colour
  • centered and bold text
  • orange background colour
Normal cells
  • left aligned text
  • centered text

the background colour is #F9F9F9, slightly darker than white, to create a contrast to the article background color

Other changes

a little horizontal padding (0.5em) is added to all cells, so the text doesn't stand too close to the vertical borders

See Wikipedia for other MediaWiki CSS definitions. --MoerkJ talk 12:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks for your reply. Will use that as the format for the rest of the drama time slots. Btw, if I need to have some of the images deleted, do I come over here and give you a list of them? Some of the dramas had prelim pics uploaded, and when the actual ones came along, I had updated them with a new version. Isn't there a way I can mark them for deletion, and someone somewhere just have to push a button on a regular basis and poof! they all disappear... ^^;;
-- BaBa (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you can mark images/pages/etc for deletion using templates. The DramaWiki:Deletion policy describes how it works. The marked pages will be listed in the maintenance section and will be deleted by our staff later.
For images that got overwritten with a new version it is a bit tricky. We don't have a procedure to mark them for cleanup of old revisions, yet. So, I recommended to (re)upload different looking images under a different name and mark the unused one for deletion.
I'll create a {{cleanupimage}} tag to mark images for cleanup. It will be similar to {{cleanupbecause}} but just for images. See DramaWiki:List of Templates for an old list of useful maintenance templates. --MoerkJ talk 17:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Help! I change the image but it doesn't work

I was changing the photo for actress Yuan Shan Shan, but the new one didn't show up; instead, the old one still showed up but with the size of the new one. You can see the problem here File:Yuan Shan Shan.jpg. I wonder how to solve this? Thanks alot. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kotomi1994 (talk) on 06:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)‎

This is a known caching problem of the Mediawiki software, or rather your browser. There are ways to fix this:
  1. clear your browser cache and reload the page, or
  2. do a forced page reload to bypass your browser cache to see the webpage with the actual image, or
  3. open the image directly in your browser (e.g. through right mouse button menu), reload the image if necessary. Then go back and reload the page normally.
Please crop the artist photos as described in the style guide. The photo should show only the head (and the top of the shoulders) of the person. See File:ZhangYiJie.jpg or File:Yuan Shan Shan.jpg for example. Also, please sign your talk page edits. Thanks. --MoerkJ talk 07:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks alot, now I can see the correct image. --~Kotomi1994~~-- I;m testing my signature, can u see it?

It's Okay, It's/That's Love

Hi MoerkJ,

Alyviagan and I seem to be in a disagreement in terms of the title for the drama It's Okay, It's Love. Originally, the page was It's Alright, It's Love, then Alyviagan moved the page to It's Okay, That's Love. It sort of became a battle with moving the page between the two titles. Then I decided to create another page that combines both our preferred title which is It's Okay, It's Love. Yet, Alyviagan once again moved the page back to her preferred title. I recently sent a message on Alyviagan's user talk page asking why she wants to use her preferred title. You can check out what I posted. I'm at a loss of what to do. All I can think of is to have various users vote for the most appropriate title. I don't think it is fair for Alyviagan or even me to decide the title. I believe this should be applied for other future dramas as this has happened before. --Msmall92 (talk) 22:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

First, it seems that Alyvia doesn't know how to rename wikipages (using the move feature). Changing the pagename shouldn't be a problem if it's done properly. I reverted the copy-move and left her a message.
Second, there is no official English title for "괜찮아, 사랑이야" provided by SBS. As far as I know only KBS and MBC provide official translations on their English webpages for some popular dramas. If there is no official translation then we use what is most popular. For example, you can do a "Google-test" to find out the most popular translation:
  • "It's Okay, It's Love" AND SBS AND 2014 returns 101000 results
  • "It's Okay, That's Love" AND SBS AND 2014 returns 16200 results
  • "It's Alright, It's Love" AND SBS AND 2014 returns 28200 results
another test gives:
  • "괜찮아, 사랑이야" AND "It's Okay, It's Love" returns 13400 results
  • "괜찮아, 사랑이야" AND "It's Okay, That's Love" returns 663 results
  • "괜찮아, 사랑이야" AND "It's Alright, It's Love" returns 20700 results
Many fansites use the first two translations... some are even mixing both. I will use It's Okay, It's Love because it seems to be more popular at the moment. You can discuss a name change on the article's talk page. I also moved the edit histories of all three pages to It's Okay, It's Love as well. --MoerkJ talk 08:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Dear MoerkJ,
Yes, I admit I didn't know how to use the move feature but since you left me a message I've learned and changed. The reason why I changed it wasn't because of competing but because most sites such as Wikipedia and Viki (which is a licensed site) are using the tittle It's Okay, That's Love for this drama and I thought it was more appropriate and popular. I tried to discuss with Msmall92 but it seems like she didn't wanted to as she didn't even reply my message. I would say I agree with you MoerkJ, to use the tittle that is the most popular at the moment. --Alyviagan (talk)

Hello MoerkJ and Alyviagan,

Alyviagan - I have to respectfully disagree with you because Wikipedia and Viki are not official sources, even though Viki is a licensed site. It is not in any way involved in the production of the drama, therefore it is not an official source. As I stated just a few moments ago in my talk page, I did not intend to ignore Alyviagan's message. I had assumed that Alyviagan had somehow read MoerkJ and my discussion here on this page. And because of that assumption, I thought that there was no point in trying to further discuss with Alyviagan. I admit that it was wrong of me to make the wrong assumption. --Msmall92 (talk) 04:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Using the frame option for artist images

Is it okay if I want to put the photo as a frame instead of a thumb? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kotomi1994 (talk) on 14:27, 10 June 2014‎ (UTC)

No, you should always use the thumb option. The default size is 180px. If this is too small then set a bigger size, like this [[File:Image.jpg|thumb|200px|caption]]. On artist pages the default size should be perfect. Using the frame option is a bad idea, because it displays the picture in its original size. If someone overwrites a perfectly trimmed image with a larger one then the image is displayed at the wrong size.
Also I advise you for the last time: (1) do not to overwrite images with different looking ones, and (2) do not replace images that look fine and which need no replacement. If you don't follow our rules then I will revoke your upload rights. --MoerkJ talk 15:47, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Instagram link unavailable?

I want to insert the Instagram link for actress Song Zu Er on this page Song Zu Er, but whenever I tried to do so a message saying it's a spam appear and till now I could't add the link. Any solutions?

Btw I'm not quite clear about the rules you told me. Can you explain what do you mean by "images with different looking ones?". Also, if an image is fine but is too old for the artist now (e.g taken 3 years ago) can I change it to a newer one? Especially with child stars - their looks can change a lot as they grow up. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kotomi1994 (talk) on 18:52, 28 June 2014

I have banned Instagram links through MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist because it is not a useful information resource. Links to gallery sites or fansites are not wanted on DramaWiki pages. See the external links section of our style guide and the Blacklist Log for details.
Generally, images should not be overwritten without a reason. Point. If you overwrite a file, give a reason in the upload comment. If you edit/fix/improve an image then it is obviously ok to overwrite. See File:XuYuHan.jpg, File:NakayamaYuuma7.jpg or File:LeeSoJung.jpg as good examples; the images were replaced with a cropped version of the same photo.
But, if you overwrite an artist photo from 2008 with a different photo from 2014 then it is "overwriting an image with different looking one". See File:AshidaMana.jpg as an example where three different looking photos where uploaded using the same name (without giving a reason why it was changed). Same with File:TangYiFei.jpg and many more... why did you replace the image with a different one using the same filename?
If you want to upload a recent picture for former child actor then please use a different name so we can use both images, one for the former child actor and one for the later grown-up/mature actor. Also, "3 years" is not old. As long as the person on the photo is easily recognizable there is no need to replace an image (see Guidelines on image selection and usage). We usually have a link to an official site which may contain more recent pictures, thus we do not need to change the artist photos "every year". --MoerkJ talk 18:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person

Hello MoerkJ,

What do you think about implementing this template to DramaWiki? I think it'll look great along with the recently updated DramaWiki software. It'll make all artist articles look neat and tidier. I know we have so many artists in our database, but I think it'll be worth it and I'm sure many dedicated users, including me, will be willing to update all the pages with the artists. I think we'll have to modify the template from Wikipedia, if possible, so that it will fit DramaWiki's standards.

I do not have experience with creating templates, but I think this could be a good learning experience for me and I could use that experience for creating future templates. That is, if you don't mind me creating one.

What do you think? --Msmall92 (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, I wish we would have been using templates for artist profiles and drama details from the beginning or atleast much earlier. I gave up the idea, because changing so many pages to use templates would be a tedious job with little benefit. Maybe this could be a new DramaWiki project once the template(s) exist and are approved. Writing the templates isn't that difficult (for me). If the interest is high enough and if there are enough editors who will use the templates then I'll write them.
If you just want to try it out yourself then you may create the templates (e.g. User:Msmall92/test template) and test pages (e.g. User:Msmall92/Sandbox) in you user space or in our Sandbox. Then you can test your userspace template simply with {{User:Msmall92/test template}} in the sandbox. If you're finished with testing you may mark your unneeded test pages for deletion if you want.
IMHO, the Infobox person template is not really what we should implement. It is a meta-template and it uses other complex templates and even lua modules. I'd suggest to start with something less complex like this. We should settle on the parameters we need before we start implementing anything.
Maybe it's a better idea to have a few smaller, specialized templates because some profile entries are country or language specific and would require language specific parameters. Having one template that covers parameters for all countries and professions would result in lenghty code very difficult to read/understand. I'm afraid that such a complex template would be very user-unfriendly and confusing. Perhaps the best way to implement this would be to have language specific wrapper templates which use the appropriate parameters of a meta-template. See the list of wrapper templates for {{infobox person}} as examples. --MoerkJ talk 04:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for responding. I understand your reasoning about how it would be incredibly tedious to change the pages. I've been updating a lot of KDrama OST pages which is tedious, but at the same time, I really enjoy updating them to give older OST pages a more "clean" look. I'm a bit confused at what you mean by language specific template. It seems that the parameters in the profile sections for the Japanese artists, Korean artists, and Chinese artists are largely similar with a few differences. But I will attempt to create a test template (and play around a bit) and maybe I'll understand your point because this whole creating a template thing is very foreign to me. --Msmall92 (talk) 04:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to rename the image, anyway to fix?

I recently uploaded a more recent picture for actor Wu Lei at this page File:WuLei.jpg, but I forgot to rename the file so that it doesn't overwrite the previous one. Is there any way to fix this? Thanks a lot. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kotomi1994 (talk) on 10:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. You can mark images or just certain revisions of an image for deletion with {{deleteimage}}. --MoerkJ talk 03:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Help! I can't change the file name

I was uploading a new photo for actress Kim So Yun here, but I don't know why I can't change the file name no matter how much I tried to reload the page. So does that mean the file name on this page is unchangeable?