Talk:Sh15uya

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Should this article even exist on the DramaWiki? --YtToshi 02:27, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

I know absolutely nothing about this drama. Let's lay down the criteria for what's allowed here:

1. It must have been, or will soon be aired on TV.
2. It must be a live drama (i.e. no tokusatsu, sentai, TV variety shows, talk shows, anime, documentaries...)
3. It can be either a renzoku (continuous for an entire season or more), or a one-shot (made-for-TV movie or tanpatsu.)
4. It must exist or at least be announced by a primary (TV network) or secondary reliable source (tabloids are not reliable) (i.e. no Churasan 5 or Hana Yori Dango Korean Style.)

So if Sh15uya doesn't fit this criteria, then yes it doesn't belong on DramaWiki. Later on I'll post these requirements on DramaWiki for everyone to see. Groink 17:03, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

From what I've searched so far on this drama, it seems to be a tokusatsu and this is the reason that I asked this question. So, you can check out the following links just to verify: Japan-Hero forum, Anime Otaku forum, and Official Website. Also, I stumbled upon this drama on IMDb and they list it as a action/sci-fi and this information can be found here.

At this point, I don't think this article should exist at all, unless someone wants to explains why it should stay on the DramaWiki. --YtToshi 02:56, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

Using the leads YtToshi provided, it's definitely either tokusatsu or sentai. I'll post a deletion request on the main page. Groink 05:18, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

Wait a moment. Where is this "criteria" ellicudated? I'm not following you on the idea that tokusatsu is somehow not "live drama"; tokusatsu is by definition live action, and the vast majority is drama of some sort, usually combined with another genre such as science fiction, or horror, etc. "Sentai" is not really a genre, but a word meaning roughly "taskforce". It was used in military contexts in Japan prior to World War II and as such predates tokusatsu, which most historians would say didn't exist until the release of Gojira in 1954. The word "sentai" is used to indicate a team-up superhero show, which can mean the most famous of these, Super Sentai, or others like Super Duty Combat Unit Shinesman, a parody. However, my point is that if you aim to be a comprehensive resource on Asian drama, why are you excluding tokusatsu? I understand not wanting anime content, that's another beast. But I don't understand why tokusatsu should be excluded apart from pure cultural elitism. So, if you'd care to explain?--Sean Black 23:05, 2 Jun 2006 (EDT)

DramaWiki is based specifically around "trendy" dramas. We really didn't think we had to actually define what a trendy drama on DramaWiki is because everyone involved with Asian dramas understand the difference between trendy dramas and non-trendy dramas like tokusatsu and sentai. If you take a look at all the dramas we have listed on DramaWiki, you should've figured out the pattern. No Kamen Rider, no Ultraman, no Power Rangers... Regardless of whatever academic sources you refer to, we have a right to place our focus on certain sub-genres of TV dramas. And we choose to leave out the live-action shows. End of story. Groink 07:54, 3 Jun 2006 (EDT)

I am thinking of allowing sentai and tokusatsu and give them their own category instead of putting them in the jdrama category. This would expand our database and keep things organised. --Ruroshin 21:29, 3 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Although tokusatsu is technically a drama, I feel for the sake of D-Addicts we should not allow them in the DramaWiki. To provide consistency, DramaWiki and D-Addicts must be the same regarding content. If you were allowing tokusatsu to be uploaded on the D-A tracker, then that changes thing. But you're not allowing it. I'm a huge fan of tokusatsu myself (I even cosplay at some Hawaii events), so I have nothing against tokusatsu. Before DramaWiki came up, there were only two or so English-written sources for trendy dramas. And DramaWiki is right now the leader of all of them. Tokusatsu is in a different situation... There are already many other sites out there (Henshin Online, etc.) that provide more than enough information about tokusatsu, and they're doing very well. IMHO there is no need for yet-another site. Groink 22:17, 3 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Well actually its not that we don't allow tokusatsu to be uploaded to d-addicts, its just nobody has really tried it. A couple of episodes of Sh15uya was in fact uploaded to D-A but since it used an external announce url it was deleted after a period of time as per normal of all external trackers. --Ruroshin 18:55, 4 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Setting the official record on tokusatsu

In case editors come across this talk page... DramaWiki does indeed allow Japanese tokusatsu shows to be listed. This has been true for over two years now. But, I've noticed that some editors are not aware of this, and are instead adding wikilinks to Wikipedia articles as a replacement. And this is not just a problem with tokusatsu listings; I'm seeing this practice all over the place. This causes problems for other editors on DramaWiki because:

1. It does not allow us to use the "What links here" feature of MediaWiki. If all the artists are linking to an article on Wikipedia, that feature will not find them.
2. I've said this several times that red hyperlinks are a good thing. This tells us editors that an article is needed.
3. I usually use the Special pages -> Wanted pages feature of MediaWiki. This tells me what articles are needed, based on the number of articles attempting to link to the non-existent article.

So once again, if an article does not exist, DO NOT create a wikilink to Wikipedia. Leave the article wikilink red. Groink 10:26, 3 Aug 2008 (CEST)

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