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I already wrote this in Edit Summary of God of Noodles page. But, just to give more thorough explanation:
Reviews, notes, and external links sections
For external links, keep the focus of the links to primary and secondary sourced sites, or sites are known to be credible throughout the TV show community.
Kor Wiki is NEVER a must insert for K Dramas pages in Dramawiki. As long as there are other more verifiable and useful external links. There is no important things in K Wiki that haven't been provided in Official site, KBS World/MBC Global site, or Daum/Naver. In fact, it's advisable we don't follow blindly the informations in K Wiki, because Wikipedia articles are freely edited by everyone, so mistakes are often happen, esp. Korean Wiki because Wikipedia Kor is still not bound by the obligation to put references, unlike Wiki English & Japan, for example.
- There is no harm to put Korean Wikipedia as one of external links. The guidelines were created almost 10 years ago and need major updates as editors keep changing by time. Unless the page already got FIVE - SIX external links or have english wikipedia link, then you might want to consider remove the korean wikipedia. Just my two cents. --Natokajun (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Korean Wikipedia is not a required source, but some of us that do a great deal of editing on Dramawiki find it a useful resource, which is why I include it on series pages I create or make major edits to. I have found its information no more or less reliable than other secondary sources like Daum/Naver. Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production credits, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites. You may personally choose not to use Wikipedia as a reference and that's fine. I simply request that you do not go out of your way to remove the links I have added; they're really not hurting anything and it saves me a lot of time. Thank you. --FritzB (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production credits, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites
- Those kind of informations you mentioned, from the time I started on Dramawiki (2014) until now, I always find them in either Official site, English sites of the broadcast networks, or Kor Portals. Like @Natokajun mentioned, I think it's OK for Kor Wiki to be inserted when there's no other primary/secondary sites being opened just yet. But, if there already are, then better to replace Kor Wiki to other more reliable sources, either with English Wiki or Hancinema pages.--Helena89 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Let's not compare the year of starting on dramawiki. Editors keep changing.....every editor has his/her own preferences and editing style. Lets respect each other's. The ready guidelines are not made to be strictly followed. As long as no download links or site for self-promotion, they are okay for external links. As for me, i prefer Korean wikipedia over daum / naver as wiki has higher probability for english version. But some of them are not reliable so must be careful when use them as sources. Afterall, dramawiki is mainly for english reader not for hangul reader. Just my opinion. --Natokajun (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- No source (even the official site) is thoroughly complete or free of possible errors, so it's always prudent to check with multiple sources. That's why I am of the opinion that, within reason, you cannot have too many links, even if they may have overlapping information. I wouldn't even remove a Korean Wikipedia link, even if there is a link to an English Wikipedia page - the English pages are seldom as thorough as their Korean counterparts and they usually lack the actor/actress interlinks. When you are trying to distinguish between actors with the same names, those interlinks are very helpful (ie. Is it Kim Soo Hyun (1978) or Kim Soo Hyun (1988)?).
- Unless the link not relevant or is actually broken (like all the profile NATE links), I see no reason to ever remove it. A fellow editor put the link there for a reason and its being there doesn't really hurt anything. --FritzB (talk) 17:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- I hope you are aware that every wikipedia page are linked to multiple language wikis. Most pages on english wikipedia are linked to korean wikipedia (you can find it on sidebar) and vice versa, thats why only one wikipedia is left on external links if both languages exist. If im not mistaken, there is a discussion somewhere on dramawiki english wikipedia link is prefered over japanese, korean or chinese to prevent redundant.--Natokajun (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm aware of the link, but for me, as an editor, it's just a bothersome extra step to get to the info I need. It's certainly not a big deal and I understand for the average user the English is naturally preferred. Most of my work on DramaWiki is with new upcoming and currently airing dramas and English Wikipedia pages rarely exist for those, at lease not right away. --FritzB (talk) 23:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, i just want to ask your opinion regarding this user. As she contributing on upcoming kdrama and some ratings page, any dispute of info that can be detected? Also for drama The King Loves did you find any info regarding episode numbers so far? Because ive heard from social media, some complaints how dramawiki giving false info regarding drama's episode number. As one of editors, i feel bad about this. Ive searched it through the other day but couldnt find it either if its confirmed 40 episodes. If its really a wrong info and more dispute from her edits, should we just ask help from waterob to block this user for a period of time at least as a warning? --Natokajun (talk) 14:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've had my issues with some of Mehyarb119's edits as well. I haven't seen anything about the number of episodes for The King Loves either, but 40 is a pretty unusual number; I rather doubt she just made it up. One thing she has done repeatedly is to enter incorrect Hangul titles for newly announced upcoming shows on the Upcoming KDrama list. It seems to me like she reads about a new drama on some site like Dramabeans or Soompi, adds English title to the Upcoming KDrama list and then back-translates the English title into Korean; they are nearly always wrong. And of course, I also wish she would learn to use the Edit 'Show Preview' button. LOL. Sadly, most all of these issues could be easily remedied if she could simply be made aware of and responded to our Talk inquiries. --FritzB (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
About official English titles
Hello, I am from CJ E&M's Global Content Division
Some of the English titles of our DRAMAS from tvN and OCN are incorrect. Is there a contact point (email addresses perhaps) where we can talk about previous titles, and send information on upcoming titles?
- Any official information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. To contact me directly, click my username (FritzB) and select "Email this user" from the "Tools" menu on the left of your screen.--FritzB (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Keep Reviews on Show Page
Hi FritzB, I saw that you moved two reviews by Nova984 to new pages. I wanted to keep those reviews on the same page as the drama to make it easier for the users to get all the info. If you want, we can move the reviews under the "External Links" section. --Ruroshin (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2018 (PDT)
- Well I can't say that I agree with this at all, but it's your site.
- I have no beef with having people add reviews, but for the more popular dramas we could easily end up with multiple reviews, which would make the main pages horrendously long and ungainly. One of DramaWiki's most attractive features is it's clean, concise layout of detailed and strictly factual info, relatively free of fancruft. Cluttering up the main show pages with Reviews would run quite counter to that basic principle.
- We routinely off-load supplemental info to subpages for things like OSTs, TV Ratings, Extended Cast, Plot Synopsis, etc... so it seemed quite reasonable to do likewise with Reviews. In fact when I had the thought of doing so, I went to create Category:Reviews, only to discover it already existed - I'm clearly not the first to come up with this idea. In addition, Reviews can often contain spoilers, which many users might not want to see inadvertently. Having them on a subpage would avoid this hazard.
- Six Flying Dragons is a good example of a page with multiple subpages. It's clean and neat, but loaded with info and links to far more for anyone who is interested.
- Okay, let's keep it as it is.
- Okay, cool.
- As far as expanding the Main Cast section, I think adding a detailed character profile would break-up the simplicity of the layout, unless it could be collapsible (like with some of the Ratings tables). I'm not sure if that's even technically possible. If not, I would link it to a subpage, perhaps Category:Characters (or something like that). Unfortunately, either case would probably be too complicated for most contributors to know how to format. Up 'til now we've generally stuck to simple descriptions in parentheses, ie. (Ji Soo's mother), (CEO of XYZ Company), etc... - just enough to ID the character.
- I've had my hands full just keeping up with the basics of Casts and roles. I haven't been getting much help lately. Unfortunately, most of the new eager DW contributors seem intent on just adding useless fan trivia, rather than substantial contributions like creating Artist pages for the countless lesser-known Actors and Actresses that currently have none. :/ --FritzB (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2018 (PDT)