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Korean Wikipedia

Hello,

I already wrote this in Edit Summary of God of Noodles page. But, just to give more thorough explanation:

http://wiki.d-addicts.com/DramaWiki:Korean_TV_Show_Article_Formatting

Reviews, notes, and external links sections

For external links, keep the focus of the links to primary and secondary sourced sites, or sites are known to be credible throughout the TV show community.

Kor Wiki is NEVER a must insert for K Dramas pages in Dramawiki. As long as there are other more verifiable and useful external links. There is no important things in K Wiki that haven't been provided in Official site, KBS World/MBC Global site, or Daum/Naver. In fact, it's advisable we don't follow blindly the informations in K Wiki, because Wikipedia articles are freely edited by everyone, so mistakes are often happen, esp. Korean Wiki because Wikipedia Kor is still not bound by the obligation to put references, unlike Wiki English & Japan, for example.

Thanks for the attention. Feel free to ask me anything. Happy editing! --Helena89 (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

There is no harm to put Korean Wikipedia as one of external links. The guidelines were created almost 10 years ago and need major updates as editors keep changing by time. Unless the page already got FIVE - SIX external links or have english wikipedia link, then you might want to consider remove the korean wikipedia. Just my two cents. --Natokajun (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Korean Wikipedia is not a required source, but some of us that do a great deal of editing on Dramawiki find it a useful resource, which is why I include it on series pages I create or make major edits to. I have found its information no more or less reliable than other secondary sources like Daum/Naver. Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production credits, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites. You may personally choose not to use Wikipedia as a reference and that's fine. I simply request that you do not go out of your way to remove the links I have added; they're really not hurting anything and it saves me a lot of time. Thank you. --FritzB (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production credits, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites

Those kind of informations you mentioned, from the time I started on Dramawiki (2014) until now, I always find them in either Official site, English sites of the broadcast networks, or Kor Portals. Like @Natokajun mentioned, I think it's OK for Kor Wiki to be inserted when there's no other primary/secondary sites being opened just yet. But, if there already are, then better to replace Kor Wiki to other more reliable sources, either with English Wiki or Hancinema pages.--Helena89 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Let's not compare the year of starting on dramawiki. Editors keep changing.....every editor has his/her own preferences and editing style. Lets respect each other's. The ready guidelines are not made to be strictly followed. As long as no download links or site for self-promotion, they are okay for external links. As for me, i prefer Korean wikipedia over daum / naver as wiki has higher probability for english version. But some of them are not reliable so must be careful when use them as sources. Afterall, dramawiki is mainly for english reader not for hangul reader. Just my opinion. --Natokajun (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

No source (even the official site) is thoroughly complete or free of possible errors, so it's always prudent to check with multiple sources. That's why I am of the opinion that, within reason, you cannot have too many links, even if they may have overlapping information. I wouldn't even remove a Korean Wikipedia link, even if there is a link to an English Wikipedia page - the English pages are seldom as thorough as their Korean counterparts and they usually lack the actor/actress interlinks. When you are trying to distinguish between actors with the same names, those interlinks are very helpful (ie. Is it Kim Soo Hyun (1978) or Kim Soo Hyun (1988)?).

Unless the link not relevant or is actually broken (like all the profile NATE links), I see no reason to ever remove it. A fellow editor put the link there for a reason and its being there doesn't really hurt anything. --FritzB (talk) 17:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I hope you are aware that every wikipedia page are linked to multiple language wikis. Most pages on english wikipedia are linked to korean wikipedia (you can find it on sidebar) and vice versa, thats why only one wikipedia is left on external links if both languages exist. If im not mistaken, there is a discussion somewhere on dramawiki english wikipedia link is prefered over japanese, korean or chinese to prevent redundant.--Natokajun (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of the link, but for me, as an editor, it's just a bothersome extra step to get to the info I need. It's certainly not a big deal and I understand for the average user the English is naturally preferred. Most of my work on DramaWiki is with new upcoming and currently airing dramas and English Wikipedia pages rarely exist for those, at lease not right away. --FritzB (talk) 23:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Mehyarb119

Hi, i just want to ask your opinion regarding this user. As she contributing on upcoming kdrama and some ratings page, any dispute of info that can be detected? Also for drama The King Loves did you find any info regarding episode numbers so far? Because ive heard from social media, some complaints how dramawiki giving false info regarding drama's episode number. As one of editors, i feel bad about this. Ive searched it through the other day but couldnt find it either if its confirmed 40 episodes. If its really a wrong info and more dispute from her edits, should we just ask help from waterob to block this user for a period of time at least as a warning? --Natokajun (talk) 14:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had my issues with some of Mehyarb119's edits as well. I haven't seen anything about the number of episodes for The King Loves either, but 40 is a pretty unusual number; I rather doubt she just made it up. One thing she has done repeatedly is to enter incorrect Hangul titles for newly announced upcoming shows on the Upcoming KDrama list. It seems to me like she reads about a new drama on some site like Dramabeans or Soompi, adds English title to the Upcoming KDrama list and then back-translates the English title into Korean; they are nearly always wrong. And of course, I also wish she would learn to use the Edit 'Show Preview' button. LOL. Sadly, most all of these issues could be easily remedied if she could simply be made aware of and responded to our Talk inquiries. --FritzB (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I hope one day she would find her way and discover the talk page so that all the problems can be solved, lol. I leave her for now but if got more dispute i'll try to bring up the issue to mods. --Natokajun (talk) 13:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

About official English titles

Hello, I am from CJ E&M's Global Content Division

Some of the English titles of our DRAMAS from tvN and OCN are incorrect. Is there a contact point (email addresses perhaps) where we can talk about previous titles, and send information on upcoming titles?

Any official information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. To contact me directly, click my username (FritzB) and select "Email this user" from the "Tools" menu on the left of your screen.--FritzB (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Keep Reviews on Show Page

Hi FritzB, I saw that you moved two reviews by Nova984 to new pages. I wanted to keep those reviews on the same page as the drama to make it easier for the users to get all the info. If you want, we can move the reviews under the "External Links" section. --Ruroshin (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2018 (PDT)

Well I can't say that I agree with this at all, but it's your site.

I have no beef with having people add reviews, but for the more popular dramas we could easily end up with multiple reviews, which would make the main pages horrendously long and ungainly. One of DramaWiki's most attractive features is it's clean, concise layout of detailed and strictly factual info, relatively free of fancruft. Cluttering up the main show pages with Reviews would run quite counter to that basic principle.

We routinely off-load supplemental info to subpages for things like OSTs, TV Ratings, Extended Cast, Plot Synopsis, etc... so it seemed quite reasonable to do likewise with Reviews. In fact when I had the thought of doing so, I went to create Category:Reviews, only to discover it already existed - I'm clearly not the first to come up with this idea. In addition, Reviews can often contain spoilers, which many users might not want to see inadvertently. Having them on a subpage would avoid this hazard.

Six Flying Dragons is a good example of a page with multiple subpages. It's clean and neat, but loaded with info and links to far more for anyone who is interested.

Just my 2 cents. --FritzB (talk) 07:07, 25 September 2018 (PDT)

Okay, let's keep it as it is.

What are your thoughts on expanding the Main Cast section? Should we add more details like the roles on the same page or separate pages as well? --Ruroshin (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2018 (PDT)

Okay, cool.

As far as expanding the Main Cast section, I think adding a detailed character profile would break-up the simplicity of the layout, unless it could be collapsible (like with some of the Ratings tables). I'm not sure if that's even technically possible. If not, I would link it to a subpage, perhaps Category:Characters (or something like that). Unfortunately, either case would probably be too complicated for most contributors to know how to format. Up 'til now we've generally stuck to simple descriptions in parentheses, ie. (Ji Soo's mother), (CEO of XYZ Company), etc... - just enough to ID the character.

I've had my hands full just keeping up with the basics of Casts and roles. I haven't been getting much help lately. Unfortunately, most of the new eager DW contributors seem intent on just adding useless fan trivia, rather than substantial contributions like creating Artist pages for the countless lesser-known Actors and Actresses that currently have none. :/ --FritzB (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2018 (PDT)

Title

Can you rename "I'm a Mother, Too" to "I'm a Mother Too"? What's the difference between them? I think it's just grammatical mistake. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2020 (PST)

I could, but I'm disinclined to do so. While moving the actual page is easy enough, updating all of the 50+ pages that link to it and its sub-pages is simply more trouble than it is worth. "I'm a Mother, Too" is the title used on several other of the more popular English-language drama sites, such as HanCinema and MyDramaList. The title "I Am the Mother Too" is used on a few others. The differences are not particularly significant. --FritzB (talk) 09:35, 10 January 2020 (PST)

I added a redirect I Am the Mother Too, in case anyone searches for the other title. --FritzB (talk) 09:40, 10 January 2020 (PST)

Dead Man's Letter

Hi, please change the status of Dead Man's Letter to upcoming instead of unconfirmed. I cannot do it for some unknown reason on my phone. Thanks! Rp0804 (talk) 07:53, 16 April 2020 (PDT)

Done --FritzB (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2020 (PDT)

Thanks! By the way, it will air in the second half of 2020. Source: https://www.news1.kr/articles/?3899051&view=pc Rp0804 (talk) 08:25, 16 April 2020 (PDT)

Moving Page

Hi, I just want to ask why can't I moving page? it always said wrong database... thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 09:05, 17 May 2020 (PDT)

I'm having the same issue! I emailed Ruroshin already but still not resolved. --Natokajun (talk) 09:18, 17 May 2020 (PDT)

I do not know what the problem is, but it's likely a coding issue. Ruroshin is the only one who can fix this. In the meantime, I can move pages for you. Just tell me what pages you want to move. --FritzB (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2020 (PDT)

I see... I thought I made some mistake so can't move the page~~ but I trying now and it worked!! thanks alot for the help~~ Oh~ 1 question again~~ may I use Wade–Giles for taiwan actress/actor's name? to distinguish from chinese actor/actress? because there're some same name in pinyin but the chinese character were different~~ so the taiwanese use Wade–Giles (e.g: 張鈞甯; Zhang Jun Ning = Chang Chun Ning) , and the chinese remain use the hanyupinyin (张翰; Zhang Han) ~~ thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2020 (PDT)

I am glad to hear the page moving problem is fixed now. Ruroshin was working on it yesterday.

I am probably not the best person to ask questions about romanizing Chinese names. I know almost nothing on the subject. As a general rule, DW uses whatever western spelling is most commonly used in English articles. Alternate spellings can always be added with page redirects. --FritzB (talk) 06:11, 18 May 2020 (PDT)

creating Jung Gun Joo's page

hi, I want to create Jung Gun Joo's profile, but after clicked on the name, it said Warning: You are recreating a page that has been deleted. may I know the reason? can I recreate it? thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2020 (PDT)

Yes, feel free to create the new page. The previously deleted page was just a blank page created by accident by an anonymous user. --FritzB (talk) 07:49, 1 July 2020 (PDT)

Oh,, okay.. thanks for the info ^^. --Julia Chen (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2020 (PDT)

Untangle Lee Eon Jung?

The page url is now Lee Eon Jung and the name reads (according to DW standards) Lee Uhn Jung. The page Lee Uhn Jung (correct DW spelling) is a redirect to Lee Eon Jung (RR spelling).

To untangle, one must:

1. Delete Lee Uhn Jung
2. Move Lee Eon Jung to Lee Uhn Jung
3. Optional: Create a redirect from Lee Eon Jung to Lee Uhn Jung

This name is an example on DramaWiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences and is just confusing... I can't delete, therefore I ask. --Vylmen

Yes, this is a good example of a page name reflecting common usage or artist preference over following DW guidelines. It appears the page was moved to Lee Eon Jung long after the guidelines were created in 2006. There are also two additional spelling variations redirected to the current main page as well, Lee Eon Jeong and Lee Un Jung.

We generally avoid moving pages unless there is a very compelling reason to do so (it leaves a big mess to clean-up with updating the displayed names on all of the linked pages). In this case, I would just leave the Lee Eon Jung page as it is. It would be helpful to update the couple of show page cast listings for Lee Eon Jeong and Lee Un Jung to Lee Eon Jung to match all of the others. --FritzB (talk) 05:48, 20 July 2020 (PDT)

(Updated redirects) Ok, so then we should find a better example for the documentation. --Vylmen (talk) 09:27, 20 July 2020 (PDT)

O and U in RR

I saw you corrected the RR for Oh Hyun Joong, and while I agree that there's no syllable rules in RR, we also have 오 in Oh Seung Hyun revised romanized as Oh Seung Hyeon, which is why I added a change in the RR converter. And you also see 우 RR's as Woo or Wu, which should be U, and yet Yang Jin-woo and Woo Do Hwan. Should we be strict and change them as we encounter them? --Vylmen (talk) 10:46, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

Alternate spellings are only optional, so there is no need to zealously update other listings. Normally I would have left it as 'Oh', as it is a far more common spelling of the surname, but I noticed the artist used 'O' in his own Instagram address. Some users might use that spelling for searches. --FritzB (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

So what do we default to? Reason I ask is that I created a tool for myself (screenshot) and am getting the kinks out. Your edits are helping so I see prefs for capitalization and naming.--Vylmen (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

I would set it for 'O' and 'U', because it will usually be different from the primary spelling. The point of having the alternate spellings is to aid in searches. --FritzB (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

Tale of the Nine Tailed

Are you taking over that one? Cause I was done with it - at least incorporated all I could find and fixed styling. Just in case you put the in-use tag there for me. --Vylmen (talk) 05:07, 1 September 2020 (PDT)

Yes, thank you. You fixed a lot of it, but I'm going to add a few more things. The tag is just to discourage anyone else from doing an edit while I'm working on it. --FritzB (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2020 (PDT)

Handy tag. Seems like I missed a romanization exception, unless you're changing them for other reasons:

• ㅢ ui Use ee (Kim Tae Hee)

This probably need the exception for 의 => Ui --Vylmen (talk) 05:48, 1 September 2020 (PDT)

Yes, I've never seen 의 spelled as Ee. It's usually Ui (following RR) or sometimes Eui. --FritzB (talk) 05:53, 1 September 2020 (PDT)

Penthouse

I understand most of the changes, however, not why you changed episodes and air time. I took those from HanCinema (20 episodes - Mon, Tue 22:20) - should we not trust that? --Vylmen (talk) 07:22, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

When it comes to info on upcoming dramas, I'm suspicious of all but official network press releases. Much of the info for upcoming dramas on other sites like HanCinema, AsianWiki, MyDramaList, or Wikipedia are often just guesses (or just copied from a previous show page).

The current show in that time slot Do You Like Brahms? airs at 22:00 (HanCinema lists it as 22:20 - it could just be a typo). I would assume the time to stay the same unless I see something official that says otherwise. The official SBS promo for Penthouse just released today gives no air time yet.

20 episodes is not a typical number of episodes for prime time dramas these days (it used to be years ago). 16 is more usual these days. Again, nothing official yet.

HanCinema's Oct. 23 premiere date for Penthouse is certainly wrong (that's a Friday, not a Monday). They often are just guessing that the new show will premiere as soon as the current show ends. That would put it at Oct. 26. Sometimes it ends up being correct, but other times not. Shows can get preempted for breaking news or for holidays (like Chuseok), which could delay the premiere date.

Some other sites also list cast members that are not yet officially confirmed. Beware of that. On DW, we try to only list confirmed cast. --FritzB (talk) 10:03, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

Thanks! I'll keep that mind. Perhaps you could delete Que Sera, Sera 2 - I've seen nothing confirmed for that. What holiday is interfering with Do You Like Brahms? Cause a new series would start October 19th, not 26th according to my calculations. --Vylmen (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

I agree that Que Sera, Sera 2 looks like it won't air in 2020. I've seen no news or casting updates since last fall. Rather than delete the page, it could be tagged as {{unconfirmed}} with 'TBA' for the date for now. The show may have been shelved or cancelled. It happens. Not every announced show ends up getting produced.

Assuming no preemptions, Do You Like Brahms? should end on Oct. 20 (see: Do You Like Brahms?/Episode Ratings). If Penthouse were to start the following Monday, that would be Oct. 26. That's the date listed on Korean Wikipedia, though it seems like just a guess at this point. The networks rarely give definite premiere dates months in advance. As a Monday-Tuesday drama, Do You Like Brahms? shouldn't be preempted for any of the upcoming national holidays. The Chuseok holiday runs from Wednesday, Sep. 30 to Friday, Oct. 2 this year, so it shouldn't be an issue. Also, National Foundation Day is Saturday, Oct.3 and Hangul Day is Friday, Oct. 9. --FritzB (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

It's very unlikely going to be Que Sera, Sera 2 though. And frankly - fixing all the formatting now for something dead in the water... I don't see an upside to keeping it. And yeah, I counted Sep 28-29 twice, going from September to October on calendar. Thanks! --Vylmen (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

Alice (SBS) Trailer Link

Hi, can you replace the trailer link of Alice (SBS)? because the trailer was for Missing: The Other Side.. thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 05:43, 7 September 2020 (PDT)

I fixed it. Thanks! --FritzB (talk) 07:45, 7 September 2020 (PDT)

Move request

Could you move File:Guan Bo Zhang.jpeg to File:Zheng Bo Zhang.jpeg to match the page name change? TIA! --Vylmen (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2020 (PDT)

Done --FritzB (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2020 (PDT)

Got another one: File:Zhang Jun.jpg to File: Zhang Jun (writer).jpg. This is a picture of the writer and not the actor. In addition, I can't find a good alternative for the actor, so I'd rather have that reverted to no picture. --Vylmen (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2020 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 07:53, 23 November 2020 (PST)

Thanks! --Vylmen (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2020 (PST)

And another: File:Ceng An Qi.jpg to File:Zeng An Qi.jpg, I always mess up that character, but at least this time, I caught it in time and created the correct page. --Vylmen (talk) 11:05, 1 December 2020 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 14:18, 1 December 2020 (PST)

Thanks again :) --Vylmen (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2020 (PST)

For this voice actress: File:Yang Jing (2).jpg to File:Yang Jing (voice actress).jpg --Vylmen (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2021 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 05:15, 10 February 2021 (PST)

Gracias! --Vylmen (talk) 08:37, 10 February 2021 (PST)

User pages and a double move request

It seems that any User page gives a 403 at the webserver level, so I'm guessing that mod_security has a new rule that conflicts with the subdomain setup of WikiMedia.

Second, could you please flip two files? File:Hai Yang.jpg and File:Hai Yang (2).jpg to match the flipping of the page name and then change the embed accordingly so that each filename matches the page name again. --Vylmen (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2020 (PDT)

I sorted out the image file names. I made one File:Hai Yang (1).jpg and the other File:Hai Yang (2).jpg.

The restricted access to User pages seems to be affecting everyone, including Admins like me. This is something for Ruroshin to fix. It's above my paygrade. --FritzB (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2020 (PDT)

I see you reported the permission error already. Thanks again for the File moves :) --Vylmen (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2020 (PDT)

Record of Youth OST

Hi, do you know whats wrong with Record of Youth OST page? I want to update the OST but it always say Error 403 - Forbidden. The other OST pages were OK, except this one. Please help to fix it. Thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 07:39, 8 October 2020 (PDT)

Ruroshin installed a new firewall to block spammers. It is causing some issues like this. --FritzB (talk) 08:49, 8 October 2020 (PDT)

Fixed. For the time being, until User:Ruroshin fixes it, you cannot use the word if followed by brackets. --Vylmen (talk)

Ruroshin has now fixed it. --FritzB (talk) 10:43, 8 October 2020 (PDT)

Okay,, thanks a lot --Julia Chen (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2020 (PDT)

Frequent "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data."

Hi! I was wondering if you also have frequent sessions missing. Like 1 in 4 saves doesn't go through, because my session was lost. Then I just click save again (sometimes needed again) and it works. Been happening for a few days now. It's getting a bit annoying. I have tried deleting cookies, but judging from the message the problem is server side, so it should affect other people too.--Vylmen (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2020 (PDT)

Yes, I've been seeing that message too. I suspect it is somehow related to the new firewall Ruroshin installed to block spammers. --FritzB (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2020 (PDT)

Please check and let me know if it's still an issue. --Ruroshin (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2020 (PDT)

New registrant interested mainly in Korean dramas

Hello

I registered with DramaWiki a couple of days ago in order to create an Airtime page for JTBC. Then I thought maybe there was a good reason it didn't have one, so I registered with the D-Addicts forums to post a question. The only reply so far was that I should talk with you.

It looks like JTBC schedules change more often than those in the existing Airtime pages, but otherwise, I dunno. It would be more convenient for me, in activities outside DramaWiki, if a JTBC Airtime page existed.

Separately, now that I'm registered, I should be doing things like working on stubs and dead ends and so forth. But as I said in my initial forum post, I don't know Korean (though I can parse Hangul), and don't really keep up on new dramas. If anything, I'd be more likely to want to cover the 1980s and 1990s better, and even move back to the 1970s and 1960s, but that would rely on libraries re-opening where I live that are still closed, so not for months. I'm good at things like spreadsheets and copy editing, not so good at working with others.

Let's assume I can offer five hours per week to DramaWiki (not including that JTBC page). Maybe it'll be ten some weeks, one others; I'm not sure. For the medium term, let's assume I'll do what you think best. What is that work?

Joe Bernstein

Welcome Joe! We are all volunteers here, so anything you wish to contribute is appreciated. There is no need to ask for anyone's permission or be assigned any particular tasks. Whatever you want to work on is fine. New stuff, old stuff, expanding stub pages, adding or updating Artist profiles; there's always plenty to do.

The only reason there isn't an Airtime page for JTBC is that no one has been ambitious enough to create one yet. A few years ago, I created ones for tvN and OCN, but I hadn't ever gotten around to making ones for JTBC or some of the other smaller cable channels. If you want to give it shot, feel free. I would suggest starting with a similar page like List of Dramas aired in Korea by OCN to use as a template.

You may find it pretty challenging to add much on pre-1990 dramas. None of the other English-language drama sites have much on them, which means your source material will likely be all Korean (if you can find info at all). --FritzB (talk) 14:11, 1 July 2021 (PDT)

Thanks much. One thing I thought of, that's my kind of task, is checking whether pages are categorised properly. Or is that now automated? Is there consensus on which categories different kinds of pages should belong to?

I'll also get back to work on JTBC Airtime.

Pre-1990 dramas are mostly documented by newspaper TV listings to which I'll have access if the library ever opens back up. Korea Times 1962 to 1997; 조선 일보 1961-1990; 동아 일보 1961-2008 or anyway whenever it stopped carrying TV listings; and a third one I used, whose title I forget, that had occasional TV listings for HLKZ, though not for AFKN, and to which I had access from before 1956 to late 1960s. I saw checking that library's catalogue just now that I ignored some papers, which I'll check if/when I can. But those three Korean papers' listings used steadily decreasing amounts of Hanja through the 1960s; the HLKZ listings in the 1950s were mostly in Hanja, which means I can't read 'em. Also, TV listings for morning programming seem not to have existed in the 1960s (which is as far as I got, cataloguing dramas). And I found one show whose Korean title I couldn't get because those Korean newspapers all just called that timeslot "Sunday Drama". Finally, TV listings represent what the newspapers understood the networks to have told them, not what the networks actually aired.

Turns out I do still have a list of the newspapers, and the third Korean one was 서울 신문, 1956-1969.

Regardless, all this produces is extensions to the network Airtime pages (or alternatively, supplementary Airtime pages for completists only, to which could be added the redlinked dramas from the existing Airtime pages). Actual show pages are more complicated. I was looking for dramas that seemed likely to be speculative (fantasy, horror, etc.), and none of the 1960s shows I picked got meaningful results in Google searches. I think the main way actual show pages are likely to be built is by going through older cast and crew members' pages. But I also think 1970s and especially 1980s dramas are likely to be better documented online; in particular, sometime in the 1980s Daum kicks in, assuming y'all consider that a trustworthy source. Also, the newspapers themselves will probably have more TV coverage the further forward I get, though I'm unlikely to be able to do much with articles in Korean. Anyway, though, that's ambitious, and we'll see whether I can re-do the 1960s and go on, or not.

--Jbernstein (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2021 (PDT)

Easy answer: All pages are categorized using category tags found at the bottom of each page. Every page will have one or more categories. For instance, the various Airtime lists are all tagged with [[Category:Airtime]], KDramas are [[Category:KDrama]], Korean actors [[Category:KActor]], etc. There are categories for all types of pages, years, networks, genres, production companies, etc. A complete list of all the existing categories can be found at Categories.

Researching those early dramas sounds like a monumental undertaking, but if it's something you want to do. I wish you well. :) --FritzB (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2021 (PDT)

The category page for [[Category:JTBC]] will be particularly handy for your Airtime page. It includes every JTBC drama currently in the database. --FritzB (talk) 04:42, 2 July 2021 (PDT)

CGV movie series from 2007, Eighteen - why no page?

Hi

I re-watched tonight the only episode of this four-episode movie series that I'd watched before, 소녀X소녀. [1] That's also the only one English Wikipedia records a South Korean theatrical opening of, 43 days before CGV cablecast it. If Wikipedia's pretensions can be relied upon, the other three never appeared in South Korean theatres, although one did get to New York two years later.

DramaFever carried them, and unlike movies, all of which at that time DramaFever paywalled, it allowed free access to the first two; that's where I first watched 소녀X소녀. Also, these movies got significantly less theatrical or DVD release than the Telecinema movies did, and DramaWiki does have a page for those. So I think it should have a page for these too, and am volunteering to build one, based, for the three I haven't watched and currently can't [2], mainly on the Daum pages. (And modeled on the Telecinema page.) One was directed by a woman; one is clearly a relatively early example of male homosexuality on Korean TV; they deserve to be better known.

But first I wanted to find out whether this was all argued out years ago, and there's some good reason the page doesn't exist.

Please let me know.

Joe Bernstein

[1] I won't say I mind the movie's topic, but I actually watched it because I was researching Jaurim, whose drummer, Goo Tae-Hoon, handled its music.

[2] 펀치 스트라이크 2007.03.02 Punch Strike

  소녀X소녀 2007.03.09 (theatrical opening 2007.01.25) Girl by Girl
  학교, 다녀오겠습니다 2007.03.16 Go to School, I'll See You
  램프의 요정 2007.03.23 Lamp Fairy

Joe, I expect the short answer as to why there is no page in DramaWiki for these is that they are pretty much universally described as movies, despite their very limited theatrical release. That said, you are quite right to point out that there is plenty of other very similar content (like the Telecinema series) that has been included in DramaWiki. In recent years with the proliferation of made-for-TV and streaming channel short dramas, specials, and movies, the lines of distinction between movies and dramas has gotten very blurry indeed. It seems more semantics than anything clearly defined in many cases. Personally, I don't object to adding a page for this series; it appears that it was broadcast on at least one Korean cable channel at the time - Channel CGV (now known as OCN Movies). --FritzB (talk) 06:20, 24 March 2022 (PDT)

Hi again. I've made the page, put in links to it from such pages as it links to, and made the OST page, which is my occasion for coming back here. All I could do to produce English titles for the songs is Google Translate. I suspect that's OK for song 1 (the only one that's at YouTube) and song 3, but for songs 2 and 4 I'm considerably more dubious. Can you suggest anyone who knows Korean who can be asked to check those translations? Thanks much.

PS DramaFever is now "excluded" from the Internet Archive, so I couldn't find out what English titles they used. For three of the episodes I just used the usual title, but for episode 3, the one with an OST, I didn't find a single filmography in English that named it, so again, I used Google Translate, but this time I'm sort of confident in the result. Turns out "Go to School, I'll See You" is a *different* Korean movie from that time; I got "I'll Go to School".

In lieu of official English titles, we do the best we can. I'm hardly fluent, but I know a bit of Korean. For Episode 3, I would translate 학교 다녀오겠습니다 to "I'm Going to School." The verb is present tense, assertive. There was actually a 2014 reality show of the same name called "Off to School" in English.

As for the song titles, 견적 좀 내주세요 would be something like "Give Me an Estimate" (or Quote) or "Please Give Me an Estimate". The honorific form is an implied "please", though it is often left off in translations. 그 사람 때문이죠 would be "Because of Him". Yes, 그 사람 literally means "that person," but it's a Korean way of saying "him". The others look okay. --FritzB (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2022 (PDT)

Deleting vs merging/redirecting

Hello, I apologize but I accidentally created a duplicate page of an existing show Maybe It's Love with the new page About Is Love 2. The two titles confused me, along with the 2 seasons, and I probably shouldn't be contributing while I'm muddle-headed and sick - will stop after I send this message. But I'm not too sure if this is something that should be directed under merge/redirect or deletion. I took a look at the help page but as I'm quite new to the wiki realm, I'm not too sure what the best course of action to take should be. Would it be best to redirect using "#REDIRECT :Category:Glossary"?

But while I have you here. I do realize that a lot of Taiwanese, HK, and Singaporean content hasn't been added. Is there a reason why that's the case? I'd like to contribute to those areas but I don't know if there's a pause on them or something. Tinyloops (talk)

No worries; duplicates happen. I would just Copy/Paste all the extra useful info from your About Is Love 2 page to the Maybe It's Love page. Then blank the About Is Love 2 page and replace it with: #REDIRECT [[Maybe It's Love]] That should do it.

As to all the missing Taiwanese, HK, and Singaporean content, it's simply that nobody has added much recently. We're all volunteers here. If no one steps up to do it, it just doesn't get done. Please feel free to add whatever you like. --FritzB (talk) 15:35, 28 March 2022 (PDT)

Sweet, thanks for clearing that up with me. I'll work on moving it over and adding that redirect.

That's good to know. I'll be adding them as I go! --Tinyloops (talk) 08:28 29 March 2022 PDT

Request for help

Hi, there is a newly created account who is spam adding his/her name to the list of cast members on Chinese dramas. I am not sure if its pure spam, or the actor himself adding his own credits. In any case, I cannot find any profile of this actor. Please block him if nothing comes up after seeking clarification. [1] Panwink (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2022 (PDT)

I agree that it looks suspicious, though it may be as you say - an actor adding his own credits. He could be a foreign-born actor, playing small roles in Asian dramas. It certainly would not be unprecedented. Other non-Asian actors have added their own credits and profiles to DW (example: Dean Dawson). I'll keep an eye on him for now. --FritzB (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2022 (PDT)

Insert songs

Hello again

I've recently been re-watching a lot of dramas primarily because I wanted to verify things about their music. I today added a couple of insert songs to the What's Wrong with Secretary Kim? OST page, and that got me thinking about the last long drama I re-watched before it, which has an OST of just one song, and in which I found 39 insert songs, plus two quoted only instrumentally. I've identified more than half of these: in English - 15 of 20; in Korean - 9 of 14, including one traditional song identified by title but not by performer, and one song quoted instrumentally only; in French - 0 of 3; in Italian - 0 of 1; in a Slavic language, very probably Russian - 0 of 1; in a Romance language, quite possibly Spanish - 0 of 1; without vocals - 1 of 1.

So here's the thing. This drama is available three places online, but only has subtitles at Viki. At YouTube and OnDemandKorea, these songs are present everywhere I looked. At Viki, many of them - for all I know, most of them - aren't. Viki also eliminated at least two pieces of background music with vocals but not lyrics.

So if I put the identifications into the OST page for this drama, I'm worried that I'd be creating a financial risk for the owners of the drama, because they may have used some of these songs without permission. Which raises the ethical question: Do my obligations for the drama outweigh my obligations for the music?

Your thoughts?

Joe Bernstein

I don't think there should be any issue with listing insert songs from dramas on DramaWiki. If the songs were used in the show when it aired, that's simply factual information. There is no way for us to know whether the producers sought or received permission to use the songs. That's kinda their problem. Licenses for use of copyrighted material are often country or region-specific. If songs have been later removed for international streaming on sites like Viki, that may indicate they didn't have permission. Or it may just mean that the permission they received was limited to South Korea. Listing the songs here doesn't change any of that. --FritzB (talk) 14:14, 12 June 2022 (PDT)

Singer pages

Hello again

I'm now re-watching the fourth-last drama [1] in my re-watching for music project, episode 2 this morning. Surplus Princess uses at least one song by David Choi ("Don't Fade Away", both episodes). Turns out he's been on several formal OSTs. It also uses in episode 2 two songs involving three Japanese EDM artists ("The Time Is Now" by Capsule and "Fly Away Now" by Ryunosuke Kudo and aran), for none of whom DramaWiki seems to have an article. But as best I can tell, none has been on formal drama OSTs.

(A Vietnamese blogger has already catalogued Surplus Princess's insert songs, using Shazam. That person's list, um, overlaps with the one I'm making, but the overlap isn't all that big so far.)

So two specific questions:

1) Are Singer pages for singers only, or can other kinds of musicians, like those EDM guys, get them too?

2) Is there a criterion for who gets Singer pages and who doesn't? Number of OSTs? Idol status?

And a general question: What advice do you, or DramaWiki in general, have for me on choosing musicians to create pages for, and how to go about creating them?

Thanks

Joe Bernstein

[1] The last drama under my current plans is The Lover, Mnet, primarily for the purpose of cataloguing its insert songs better than the last time I re-watched it. That drama currently has no OST page. Hmm. The drama before that is, um, The 1st Shop of Coffee Prince... The music of both is, of course, documented widely elsewhere online.

The DramaWiki guidelines don't really have any definite rules about what singers/musicians can have artist pages here, but I would probably limit it to artists who appear on the official drama OST (ie. not just insert songs).

I'm pretty sure all musicians (not just actual singers) are generally being lumped together in [[Category:KSinger]] just to keep it simple. There is also a [[Category:KComposer]] for soundtrack composers, which might be relevant in some cases.

As to insert song artists, you could put in external links for them to a Wikipedia page about them. We often do something similar for non-actors that sometimes appear in dramas, like an athlete or celebrity cameo appearance. No need to create an artist page for them - an external link will suffice. --FritzB (talk) 14:46, 23 June 2022 (PDT)

Thanks for the fast reply. David Choi turns out to be on four drama OSTs (the other one Melon considers a movie), as well as having insert songs in maybe 15 dramas (according to English Wikipedia sv him, not his discography, which is severely out of date). I think he obviously gets a page, but I'll finish Surplus Princess first, because I'm pretty sure more of his songs are in it. Do I have to locate the songs by episode in each of those 15 other dramas?

I'm not sure I have examples of non-singer musicians who should get their own pages, except people who belong under KComposer anyway, so will defer any further questions about that.

I just found out DramaWiki doesn't have a Loveholic page. Loveholic itself has formal OST songs in six dramas according to Melon right now, Jisun in seven and recently increasing, Kang Hyun-Min three overlapping her once, and Lee Jae-Hak one. Sixteen dramas? To say nothing of all their insert songs... and the blatant inadequacy of the English Wikipedia page DramaWiki currently links to.

I'll probably add an insert song section to Coffee Prince's OST page to document my work; the page will be mostly based, thank God, on the now-removed Dramabeans page, but cleaned up to remove songs actually on the OST albums (not to mention all the download links) and supplemented with whatever else I find. (I'm re-watching it because my notes mention that it includes a song I care about that isn't on the OST and isn't on the Dramabeans page either - 지영선, 가슴앓이 / 첫사랑. So I'll be listening for others such.)

Do you have an opinion on an whole page just of insert songs, for The Lover? (Need I explain how The Lover used and credited its insert songs?)

Any singer that appears on an official drama OST is certainly eligible to have an artist page. Many do not yet simply because nobody has bothered to create one. Many of the existing singer artist pages were obviously made by fangirls (and it kinda shows).

Keep in mind that DramaWiki is first and foremost a drama site. All the music-related info pertaining to OSTs and insert songs is supplemental to that. You can add as much or as little as you want. Adding details like what episode a particular insert song appeared is purely up to you. If you want to create a whole subpage with insert song info, that's fine by me. Others have made song lyric subpages. This doesn't seem much different. --FritzB (talk) 06:03, 24 June 2022 (PDT)

Wow, now I feel really stupid. Episode 4 introduced another David Choi song, which I'd kind of been expecting, but then came "Love Is Now" by Chester See, and I started to get suspicious. So I pulled up an illegal streaming site - and lo and behold, there were all the songs the Vietnamese blogger said were there, and nothing by David Choi. Nor the song in Korean just after David Choi's in episode 3, the one I really like whose lyrics are unknown to any site known to Google or Naver.

So the Lambaian Filem discs, made in Malaysia, removed the original music track, added some of it back in, and then added a bunch of songs by a Korean-American, one by an American of whose Koreanness I'm very uncertain, and one by a Korean unknown. Why on Earth would they do that? Lambaian Filem doesn't strike me as a place that's careful about copyright, the way Viki showed itself to be with Sunam Girls, so ???

My whole reason for re-watching this drama is that I liked its music. But I'd watched Lambaian Filem's discs, which turn out not to have the drama's actual music. Argh.

This story may matter very little to you, but since your talk page is where I associated Choi with this drama, it's where I have to correct my error. Thanks for your patience.

This doesn't even come close to eliminating the case for a page for Choi, but does damage my incentive to make that page soon.

Joe Bernstein, now contemplating re-watching from the beginning on a bad site...

Never mind, I've figured it out. There's copious evidence the subtitles came from Viki. Probably Lambaian Filem actually got the whole drama from Viki, legally or otherwise. And Viki had monkeyed with the music track just as it had with Sunam Girls, so that's what LF got.

In the first four episodes, here's what's in the blogger's list that survived: "8llow Me", G-Dragon; "Integration", Dengue Fever, but only instruments; "Pick up the Phone", 폰. Added: "Don't Fade Away", David Choi; "The Time Is Now", Capsule; "Fly Away Now", Ryunosuke Kudo and aran; a song whose chorus includes "매일 같은 잃오 같은 그냥 같은 시간, 매인 같은 말도 같은"; "I Choose Happiness", David Choi; "Love Is Now", Chester See (who's Filipino but not Korean).

I'm re-watching all these dramas because I "highlight" songs from them, and am compiling a list to publish, at first on my Google Drive account. I don't allow myself to highlight songs from non-Koreans who have no ties to the Korean music industry, so See's song, which I really like, is out. So's "매일 같은" because until and unless I know title and performer, I can't listen to the whole thing. Which basically leaves my least favourite of the possibilities so far, "I Choose Happiness".

Argh. Joe Bernstein, done wasting your time with this

User issue

Hello, I need help communicating with a new user User:Selenekmoon who keeps changing the episode count of Love Like the Galaxy without a source and refusing to engage in discussions on his/her talk page. Currently, all sources point to the first part of the drama having 27 episodes, but this user seems to insist on changing it to 28. Panwink (talk) 01:08, 27 July 2022 (PDT)

Update: Looks like the user has stopped the edit war. Panwink (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2022 (PDT)

New users often do not notice or understand how the Talk pages work. It can certainly be frustrating. I have inserted a note on the page in question. Hopefully, Selenekmoon will see it if he/she tries to edit the episode count again. The page is now on my Watchlist. If he/she ignores the note and changes the episode count again (w/o providing a source), I'll take more forceful action. --FritzB (talk) 05:40, 27 July 2022 (PDT)

Why was my edit canceled?

Why did you remove my edit on the page https://wiki.d-addicts.com/Lee_Jung_Jin ? This actor played exactly this role. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5966882/ https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/THE_K2 https://mydramalist.com/19048-the-k2/cast If you haven't watched this series, then take a look and see for yourself.

The roles are listed on the show pages. We don't normally list specific roles on Korean artist pages. I removed the role to keep the page consistent with the thousands of other existing Korean artist pages, none of which list any roles. I honestly don't know why this is the case other than that in the early years of DW, the then-editors for Korean dramas settled on this particular standard layout and it really would be a monumental undertaking to change it now.

By the way, on all show pages, airing dates should always be listed YYYY-MMM-DD (ie. 2022-Sep-01), again for consistency.

Thank you for your contributions to DW! --FritzB (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2022 (PDT)

Lee Jun Ho

Hello FritzB someone on the forum brought up the image of Lee Jun Ho

It's about the Lee Junho wiki page, his picture has been replaced with a fictional Lee Jun Ho, a character from Extraordinary Attorney Woo.

Is it the above actor? Replace or leave the image as is? --Keiko1981 (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2022 (PDT)

The image has already been replaced. --FritzB (talk) 11:53, 2 September 2022 (PDT)

Movie pages

Hi, I notice that a user has created a page for a movie [2]. Just want to clarify, are movies allowed on this database? Panwink (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2022 (PDT)

No, DramaWiki is still only for dramas. While we do permit "made-for-TV" movies and short-format dramas and specials that are sometimes called "movies," traditional theatrically released movies are still not permitted on DramaWiki. Anything that fits that description should be tagged for deletion. --FritzB (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2022 (PDT)

Are web movies such as this permitted? [3] ? It appears to have only be aired on iQiyi, an online platform ([4]) and not released in theaters. Panwink (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2022 (PDT)

Shows like this really fall into a grey area. With many streaming services creating their own so-called "movies" now, I would say that if looks like a "movie" and they call it a "movie," then we should treat like a "movie" and not include it here. Or in other words, if you would add it to an actor's profile under "Movies," it should probably not be on DW. --FritzB (talk) 05:30, 21 September 2022 (PDT)

Have links to IMDB become banned?

Have links to IMDB become banned? In https://wiki.d-addicts.com/My_Romantic_Some_Recipe the link to IMDB has been removed. I understand the link to WA has also been removed, but why IMDB? The link works, I checked it.

I've noticed you've been adding them. I did too a while back, when I was still contributing to them. So I'll give you my two cents. I stopped contributing to IMDb, because it is very untrustworthy information for titles and artists that aren't main stream. This is because adding stuff is easy and getting it deleted or changed requires boatloads of proof and persistence to get the right people to make the changes. I've also observed that as a rule IMDb is never the first source of information when it comes to Asian titles. Furtuer more, because it's so easy add and hard to delete, many titles contain boatloads of popular artists that aren't in the title to get them to show up in searches.

External links should be used as references for the information you've posted. Just listing sites, because they're also on there, but you've not used as a source, are not useful, unless they provide the content in English. This is the reason, while I personally don't bother with Douban. I focus on older titles mostly and Douban is good as a first source, but everything that ends up there also ends up on Mayoan and is then improved upon, whereas Douban remains largely behind. So while I could list Douban, I usally don't cause it's got the same stuff Baidu and Maoyan already are listing.

Related to this is the accuracy of information. The reason why Panwink and I have been removing Manmankan and Supcast from a lot of titles and artists is because like IMDb, it's often tainted or has wrong guesses from fans. Using IMDb as a source, is therefore not a good idea, unless you're the one that maintains the title and are willing to keep it accurate. As for sites that are in English, For Korean drama's Han Cinema is a good choice and for Chinese, usually English Wikipedia and Mydramalist for both. --Vylmen (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2022 (PDT)

Thank you for the detailed answer.

I agree completely with Vylmen for all the reasons stated. No, IMDb isn't banned. It's just not a very reliable source for info on Asian dramas and artists. There are many better sources. And there's no need to add additional links unless they add new info. --FritzB (talk) 10:22, 29 September 2022 (PDT)

Is it possible to convert the "Cast" of the series section to a table?

Is it possible to convert the "Cast" of the series section to a table? With three columns: Actor/Role/Voice actor.--Witwood (talk) 01:35, 19 October 2022 (PDT)

Tables have been used in a few instances, particularly for shows with very large and complex casts, but I really wouldn't recommend it for most more normal dramas. Table formatting is complicated and you have to take into consideration different user platforms. Users may be viewing these these pages on desktop PCs, laptops, tablets, or phones. What looks fine on a desktop does not necessarily format properly on a phone and vice versa. Tables are particularly problematic in this regard. Keeping page layouts simple and uniform avoids most of these issues. --FritzB (talk) 05:11, 19 October 2022 (PDT)

Understandably.--Witwood (talk) 15:24, 19 October 2022 (PDT)

Lee Bong Ryun page

Hi, may I know the reason the deletion of Lee Bong Ryun's profile page? I want to create Lee Bong Ryun's profile page, but there was a warning that I recreating a page that has been deleted. Thanks

--Julia Chen (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2023 (PST)

It appears to have been an almost blank page, probably created by mistake. Feel free to create one. --FritzB (talk) 06:23, 11 March 2023 (PST)

Thank you for the information --Julia Chen (talk) 00:43, 22 March 2023 (PDT)

Fake Casting Rumors

Hi there, can you help to communicate with this user who keeps copying fake casting rumors from MDL? Panwink (talk) 16:42, 24 July 2023 (PDT)

Dramawiki Server

Hi, FritzB, it's me again. I have some issue with dramawiki server, recently slowly than usual. I have to refresh all the time so that I couldn't edit properly. Thanks before --Julia Chen (talk) 03:03, 16 October 2023 (PDT)

I haven't noticed anything myself, but it is likely a temporary server problem. Unfortunately, only Ruroshin can fix server issues. --FritzB (talk) 05:10, 16 October 2023 (PDT)

Okay thank you so much :D --Julia Chen (talk) 22:21, 17 October 2023 (PDT)

What are the rules for using capital letters in the role description?

I am constantly faced with the problem of changing the first letter in the description of the role. When I used uppercase letters, you changed them to lowercase, but when I got up and used lowercase letters, you began to change them to uppercase. Either I don't understand something, or one of the two :)

I hope that you will explain the policy of their use.

To be honest, it constantly confuses me that different rules are used in different sections of this site.

--Witwood (talk) 15:09, 2 Nowember 2023 (PDT)

Yes, I can understand your confusion. This is not a DramaWiki rule, it's an English grammar custom/rule.

When the role is the person's title (how he/she is addressed), it is capitalized (ie. Detective Jung, Inspector Lee, Team Leader Heo, Doctor Woo, etc.).

If it is just a generic job description or role, it is not capitalized (ie. flight attendant, detective, pilot, taxi driver, etc.).

I hope that clears that up. I do side-work as a book editor, so I naturally nitpick minor stuff like this. --FritzB (talk) 06:01, 2 November 2023 (PDT)

Thank you. Everything was explained very clearly.

--Witwood (talk) 16:08, 2 Nowember 2023 (PDT)

Namu Wiki

Hello, is Namu Wiki a credible source for Korean dramas? Thanks. Panwink (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2024 (PST)

Yes, I've used NamuWiki. It seems pretty reliable and often has useful info not found on other secondary sources. --FritzB (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2024 (PST)

Where (or how) to leave comments if there are doubts about the correctness of the information on the site?

For example, in the series Love Me Like I Do, the actor Zhang Chen is indicated, but on the page of this series on Duban, a completely different actor is indicated.

And judging by the profile photo, he is the one who plays in the series.

The question arose because in several similar cases my changes were canceled, although the arguments were presented.

--Witwood (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (PDT)

To leave a comment or have a discussion about the content of any page on DramaWiki simply click on the Discussion tab at the top of the page in question. If it doesn't already exist, it will automatically create a Talk page for such discussions. For your example: Talk:Love Me Like I Do. --FritzB (talk) 05:13, 20 May 2024 (PDT)

Thanks! --Witwood (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2024 (PDT)

Stubs that are low volume actors

These are marked as stubs, but basically have no more credits since:

• Kim Myung Hwan
• Kim Shi Woo
• Kim Tae Young (actress) (can't find anything on her)
• Kong Soo Min
• Lee Chae Won (1978)
• Lee Joo Chan

Should the stubs-tag be deleted or the page? It doesn't make sense to keep these as stubs. --Vylmen (talk) 13:01, 23 July 2024 (PDT)

Those artist pages are all listed as stubs because they have no external links to confirm whether they are complete or not. Pretty much any artist or show page without external links is a stub. Unless you can find references for them, I would just leave them as stubs. --FritzB (talk) 14:53, 23 July 2024 (PDT)

Is it forbidden for people who are not actors, but play in TV series, to create personality pages?

The question arose after I created a page for Kim Byung Ji, but it was deleted with the note "this is not an actor". --Witwood (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2024

Yes, brief cameo appearances of a non-actor celebrities in a drama don't warrant creating new Actor profile pages; they are not actors. Kim Byung Ji is a famous Korean footballer, appearing essentially as himself. If you like, you may add an external link to a site like Wikipedia for reference. The same applies to special guest appearances by KPop idols. Unless they are acting as full cast members of a drama or appear on an OST, they do not need profile pages. External links are quite sufficient. --FritzB (talk) 10:38, 23 October 2024 (PDT)

Thanks. --Witwood (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2024

OST image

Hi, can you please help me to erase My_Merry_Marriage_OST_Part_2.jpg ? because the OST has a change. I've uploaded the new image but the result was the same image with the previous one. Help me to erase the previous image so I can upload the new image of the OST. Thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2024 (PDT)

No problem. I deleted the old image. If you are still seeing the old image, you may need to clear your browser image cache. --FritzB (talk) 05:21, 29 October 2024 (PDT)

Streaming links

Hi, are streaming links allowed to be added on this page?

Generally no. The only exception to this would be exclusive original webdramas, such as those found on Netflix, Naver TV Cast, Watcha, etc. where those links would be considered the original official sites for those dramas. I would avoid links to streams of broadcast TV shows, even if they are legal sites. Streaming licenses are usually for a limited duration and will then become dead links in a few months or a year. And definitely no links to any unlicensed/bootleg streaming sites. --FritzB (talk) 14:56, 31 October 2024 (PDT)

Redundant links

Do you think Daum links on Korean pages should be removed? Are they redundant? For example Choi Ja Hye the Daum link https://movie.daum.net/movieperson/Summary.do?personId=113049 redirects to https://entertain.daum.net/news/movie This appears to be the case with all Daum links. What is your opinion regarding HanCinema and Naver links in the External Links section? What should, or shouldn't be kept? --Keiko1981 (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2024 (PST)

Hi, I noticed you removed some links and prioritised social media, that has hardly any info (but I suppose is a fan service). I sometimes see credits that I can't find the source of, because links are not there (either entirely or not the link the original author got the credit from). So are you making sure the information is redundant or removing links to sources based on some other criteria? For example, you kept IMDb on some, which is notoriously bad on Asian content and removed MDL and HanCinema on others.

As to people.naver and movie.daum, I'm removing them as I encounter them and sometimes replace the movie.daum with a search.daum replacement that contains a profile, if I get information off it, that isn't anywhere else (often education and biometrics). But I'm not hunting them down ;) --Vylmen (talk) 21:43, 26 November 2024 (PST)

I'm going over and updating Twitter to X (including the URL), that's when I noticed the Daum redirects.

Maybe it's something that should be discussed further. I think the external links listed should be listed in most reliable source. Official website(s), Wikipedia. HanCinima and MyDramaList over IMDb? Sometimes the same info, and even more, is available on Wikipedia (English, Korean, Japanese, Chinese) Should social media sites be included. Maybe for drama pages, but sometimes it's a little too much listing all SNS on artist pages. --Keiko1981 (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2024 (PST)

Yes, Daum and Naver have rearranged or moved their databases, so that most of the existing links are now broken. They were never great sources of info anyway, so I would just delete them. Likewise, IMDb is pretty poor for Asian drama info - probably not worth keeping.

For Korean pages, I typically list official sources first (ie. network show pages, talent agency profiles, etc.), then more reliable secondary sources like HanCinema, NamuWiki, Wikipedia (English, Korean, etc.). I usually only list pages from rival sites like MDL or AsianWiki if nothing else is available - they don't site their sources. I generally don't include official SNS pages, but I don't object if others want to add them. --FritzB (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2024 (PST)

Thank you for replying FritzB! :) If it's okay, I'll start removing Daum, Naver, and IMDb links. If no other source than IMDb happen to be listed, then it'll be kept. I'll try to keep the rest you said in mind. It sounds reasonable. --Keiko1981 (talk) 07:29, 27 November 2024 (PST)