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Test Message[edit]

Let me know if it works, ok? --MoerkJ✎ me a msg 21:06, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)


Yeah looks like it works. Btw I've been wondering how to link to a category thats not in the cateogry page starting from a certain position. It works if I make it an external like e.g.

[ L]

gives this


but totally fails if I make it in internal link


which gives this L I couldn't find anything in the wiki help either so maybe its not possible? Let me know if you find anything that works for internal link.

Perferred Spelling for Drama Wiki[edit]

Choi Gyu Hwan or Choi Kyu Hwan?

Thanks --Imian 14:51, 6 Aug 2008

I'm not really sure. According to our romanizing chart both is possible. I would prefer 'Kyu' because 'Choi' doesn't end with 'g'. Generally, I prefer McR over RR romanization. It always seems to me that McR is more common outside of Korea. (Also "Choi Kyu" seems to be more common than "Choi Gyu" when doing the Google-search-test.) --MoerkJ 17:20, 6 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Usage of Hangul letters in filenames[edit]

Okay I understand(Hangul turning to symbols, periods, italics if the language feature isn't present?), I guess I never though of that. I won't do that in the future, sorry. --Christaluvsazndramas16:35, 10 Aug 2008

Profile format[edit]

Is there a perferred way to name - Empas Profile / EMPAS Profile / Profile (empas) ? Thanks Imian 17:48, 31 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Well, it doesn't really matter, but I will stick to "Empas profile" in the future.
Another thing, don't forget to tag new articles as stubs if they have "holes" and need further editing. See DramaWiki:Stub categories for some examples. Happy editing! --MoerkJ talk 18:25, 31 Aug 2008 (CEST)

Image won't display[edit]

  • N ! 00:48 Image:Let\'sGetMarried KBS Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)
  • N ! 00:42 Image:Let'sGetMarried(KBS)Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)
  • N ! 00:22 Image:Let\'sGetMarried(KBS)Chart.jpg (diff; hist) . . Imian (Talk)

Please help me with these image files. I cannot get them to show up on the image page or articles. Sorry about this. --Imian 08:29, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Why are you adding an apostrophe to all three filenames? You should only be using letters, numbers, dash (-) and underscore (_). Try using the filename "Lets_Get_Married_KBS-chart.jpg", which is in compliance with our recommendations on naming images. Groink 08:58, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)
I will stick to letters, numbers, dash (-) and underscore (_) from now on. I re-read the naming images article and my only excuse is that I was using the article name "Let's Get Married (KBS)" to name the image file.
Is is possible to add a reminder blurb about special characters to the Upload page? This an annoying problem ruined my evening goals.
However a problem still remains. When you click the "thumb" image in the article Let's Get Married (KBS) it takes you to a blank image page. It is probably because to begin with, I wrongly named the original image files. Please help. Thanks --Imian 19:28, 24 Sep 2008 (CEST)
Yes, the apostrophe causes a problem here. You have to escape it with a '\' when linking the image. And if you upload a file which contains a '\' it becomes inaccessible and can't even be deleted through the wiki. Soon, I'll add a "How to upload images" page which will cover this and some other things I've planned. --MoerkJ talk 07:01, 29 Sep 2008 (CEST)
Thanks for the info. Sorry about causing more work for everyone. --Imian 07:13, 29 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Image hotlinking[edit]

Is there anything that can be done to prevent people from hotlinking images from DramaWiki? I've noticed in a few places that quite a few people are directly linking to images here. --unsigned message by Pinkpineapple 16:31, 30 Sep 2008

Yup, that's on our todo-list (with low priority). We might restrict hotlinking to a few selected sites (e.g. D-Addicts forum, and maybe a few others). --MoerkJ talk 18:42, 30 Sep 2008 (CEST)

Uploaded Image[edit]

Hi! I accidentally uploaded the wrong version of the Giragira banner twice, and made a mistake with uploading another image (the correlation chart). Can you delete my previous uploads? Btw, I couldn't save the images to below 100KB without compromising the quality... And sorry if my uploads made a mess out of the Recent Changes log. Thanks! --MochaValencia 06:17, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)

Done. I have removed the old revisions of the two images. And don't worry about the log. It doesn't have to "look good". ;) --MoerkJ talk 07:38, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)
Thanks! I'll be more careful next time. :D --MochaValencia 07:42, 2 Oct 2008 (CEST)

Typo Removal Request - Relationship[edit]

I've just noticed a typo in Section 4.3 & 4.4 of the Help page that I was spreading when I labeled various Correlation/Relationship charts in TV Show articles. (I cut and paste a lot). I'll correct as I come across them. Thanks and sorry. --Imian 09:05, 11 Oct 2008 (CEST)

4.3 Example images without a div tag Image:Slowdancechart.jpg|thumb|350px|Relation c hip Chart - click to enlarge

4.4 Example images using the div tag Image:Slowdancechart.jpg|thumb|350px|Relation c hip Chart - click to enlarge

Question about Im Yoo Jin[edit]

Family: Daughter/actress Im Yoo Jin and daughter/actress Im Yae Won

For actor article Im Dong Jin, his daughter Im Yoo Jin was in 2 movies (Flower Island (2001) and Deep Blue (1997), but I don't think she was in any TV Shows. Does she need a DramaWiki link? Maybe she can just be "Daughter/movie actress Im Yoo Jin" --Imian 07:39, 12 Dec 2008 (CET)

Thanks for noticing. Indeed, I couldn't find any drama info either when checking on empas. I have added her just in case she had TV appearances that are just not listed on empas. After all she is a movie and musical actress and other family members are drama actors. Maybe I sensed some potential for a listing on DramaWiki.
I've just checked the nate movie index (another great information source!) and found two different actresses named Im Yoo Jin, i.e Im Yoo Jin (1974) and Im Yoo Jin (1981). Both have one or more TV shows listed in their filmographies. I haven't investigated further due to lack of time. Maybe there is potential for wikipages. I'll also change the link to Im Yoo Jin (1974) just to prevent any possible name collisions in the future. --MoerkJ talk 18:16, 19 Dec 2008 (CET)

Account Deletion Request[edit]

Please delete my DramaWiki account. Thank you. --Lady Zhuge 04:07, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)

I hope you will reconsider your "retirement". You made so many contributions which are surely appreciated by a lot of readers. Don't get upset so easily after having a little fight with another editor. By the way, Wiki accounts cannot be deleted, but you may leave a message on your userpage if you feel so. --MoerkJ talk 07:48, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)
Perhaps I overreacted, but I just really didn't appreciate Groink's hypocritical message of uniformity and essentially running a dictatorship as he sees fit. He's only familiar with the Japanese TV industry and yet tries to apply his philosophies to everything else. Anyway, thanks for clearing things up. It seems like you're the go-to person for rhyme and reason. I was not aware that TV movies can actually have their own articles created here on DramaWiki. I was also not aware that Wiki accounts cannot be deleted. Just out of curiosity, is it all user accounts or just those that have made at least one contribution? --Lady Zhuge 09:08, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)
Well, that's our groink. He surely has some temper. The best is to keep the discussion strictly technical and not to take his sometimes harsh words to heart. Apart from that he's doing a fantastic job.
To be honest, I'm not aware of any TV movie article on DramaWiki so far. And also I'm not sure how many TV movies are produced in Asia and if this format has any relevance for DramaWiki.
And regarding the user deletion... There exists no formular or special page for admins to delete a user. Officially, the MediaWiki software manuals say that users cannot (and should not) be deleted. I can delete a user entry directly in the database, but I don't know for sure whether there could arise data conflicts when deleting users with contributions or not. --MoerkJ talk 13:09, 22 Dec 2008 (CET)

Drama name - Can anyone help with this?[edit]

I would like to add a show profile for the 1994 MBC drama 마지막 승부 but I an uncertain what to call it. It already has several names (within artist profiles) in dramawiki - "The Last Game", "The Last Match", "The Final Game", "The Final Match", "Last Victory and Defeat". It is also called "The Last Dunk" and "Final Competition" at other web sites. Thanks. --Imian 22:25, 18 Feb 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interrupt, but hopefully this site might help you a bit?. The site url uses "last game", which I'm supposing is "The Last Game". I remember having some problems with names before as well and was told to use one that comes up most/popular on Google search engine. It also translates to "last game" in English as well from the Korean title. But I may be wrong, so hopefully someone else will reply also. --ladys07 04:12, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for interrupting ... "The Last Game" was my pick too but I wanted to check with y'all. --Imian 05:24, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)
Yes, The Last Game seems to be a good choice. --MoerkJ talk 07:20, 19 Feb 2009 (UTC)

Banjun Drama Edits :)[edit]

Thanks for those - that helps me know how to do all this better :) i do have one question though - is the way I have formatted the titles acceptable? i.e. 'ENGLISH' (hangeul romanisation)

(I am getting translations for the ones i don't have - just waiting for confirmation) --unsigned message by Saharial 21:08, 30 Mar 2009 (CEST)

The format you have chosen is fine. It doesn't matter if some information (i.e. translations) is still missing. Other editors may fill the gaps later. Every contribution is very welcome. Another thing... please always sign your messages on talk pages. It's easier to read when you can see who said what. ^^ --MoerkJ talk 23:38, 30 Mar 2009 (UTC)

Banjun summaries[edit]

I have summaries for the JunJin episodes and, as time goes on i will add in those for all the ones i actually have, but i wanted to get formatting sorted before i begin seeing asthere are a lot of them!

  • Should i organise the summaries into alphabetical order by main actor/actress as they did do 'seasons' of banjuns. Obviously the order would go JunJin - TVXQ and then later i can add in Andy, Bi, Eric before junjin etc etc? I ask because I don't want to be accused of bias as I am taking the junjin summaries from my own website (i give myself permission haha)

Does this make sense? --Saharial 07:23, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)

One thing you might want to monitor is the size of Banjun Drama. MediaWiki doesn't actually have a limit, but we do try to keep the articles to a certain size (in KB) so that it makes for easier editing. As of this writing, Banjun Drama is 10KB. Wikipedia uses the 60KB rule, at which then the article may need to be chopped into multiple articles. As an example, Drama Complex and Kayo Drama Gold, we create a separate article for each episode in this series. Looking at the potential growth of the article, at 87 episodes, this will be the largest article in all of DramaWiki, and therefore you may want to do the same thing as we're doing with the other series. Groink 09:13, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)
Yeah it would be nice to have some kind of grouping (maybe similar to the way they did it in the Soompi Banjun thread). If the article gets too big, then we should break it into several smaller pages. We can link from the episode listing to the (sub)pages. --MoerkJ talk 09:23, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips on page size and yes, thats a really good point about how big it will get!!Based on your suggestions i would think that where the summaries are now there could be a list of grouped summaries each with their own page and the episode lists could have links to the pages those episodes are on so that anyone interested in the other stars can get to them easily too. Either that or there is one page/episode which could include the OST and any other trivia and the page is linked via the episode guide. I'm glad i asked now! ^^ --Saharial 11:04, 4 Apr 2009 (UTC)

Rating Table Class[edit]

Ok, thanks for letting me know (*^_^*). This definitely makes things a lot easier.

252 Seizonsha ari: Episode ZERO - image upload[edit]

Hi :) I've created a new page for the drama SP '252 Seizonsha ari: Episode ZERO'

And since I can't upload pictures, here's the DVD cover:

External link for DramaFever[edit]

Dfever had posted links to Kdrama video [1]. I want to run it by you that it's okay for him to do so. He stated all the video are legally licensed from the network. --WaterOB 15:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Our guidelines don't allow such links. I'll discuss this further on Dfever's talkpage. --MoerkJ talk 19:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

problem with the new system[edit]

I have been experiencing two major problems with the new system.
1. When I don't log in, the drama/ost/currently airing lists are outdated. New articles I added don't appear. 2. When I uploaded an image, File:Ko3s2.jpg, the system couldn't create a thumbnail image. It gives the following warning messages:
- Error creating thumbnail: Unable to run external programs in safe mode.
- Warning: escapeshellarg() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/wiki/domains/ on line 1321
Please help. --WaterOB 06:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the first issue, but I'm definitely experiencing problem #2 as well. I only receive this error with certain pages, such as Ryu Sang Wook and The Man Who Can't Get Married. --Hanjae 08:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting the thumbnail error with all the recently uploaded images (as of yesterday). But it's a first for The Man Who Can't Get Married. --Cerise 11:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. It seems, for some reason certain php functions have been disabled in php.ini a few days ago. I have re-enabled some of the filesystem-related functions which DramaWiki needs for image handling (i.e. uploading and thumbnailing) and other things. So, this issue should be fixed now. If you still see some of these grey error boxes then try to force-reload the page or purge the article first. (If purging doesn't work then you might have to null edit the article.) --MoerkJ talk 15:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

MBC Drama Name[edit]

I would like to create an article for a 1999 MBC Sat-Sun evening drama 남의 속도 모르고. The only name that comes to mind (pun intended) is "No Mind". I welcome any help from anyone. Thanks --Imian 13:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"No Mind" most likely isn't the proper title or a useful translation. As far as I know, iMBC often uses poorly translated fragments of the original titles for their drama URLs. If the English title is unknown you could use the romanized form of the original title, i.e. Namui Sogdo Moleugo. Btw, there exists at least one movie and a popular song with the same title. Someone translated the song name to "You Don't Know My Feelings". But I don't know if this is a good translation. --MoerkJ talk 16:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks...I'll check out those sites and work on it some more...Recently I figured out some fragments tom shot meant Tomorrow Shot = Shoot for Tomorrow / Aim for Tomorrow --Imian 02:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Star sign[edit]

I would like a line added to Korean Artist Article Formatting: Profile_section notes about the "Star sign" entry, along with a corresponding link to our Glossary of terms containing an expanded definition of the star signs and dates. Thanks. --Imian 22:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC) p.s. I'll add the definition to the Glossary of terms

Good idea. I added the explanation for the star sign profile entry. --MoerkJ talk 20:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Greetings and cannot upload a photo[edit]

Hi MoerkJ, thanks for setting my account up. I have started editing the Hiroko Sato page, did a rename of the page to English name order so it was easier to find and will keep working on the article to get it up to scratch. I tried to upload a later photo from her old Tokyo agent FITONE that I have pemission to use but this requires administrative access. Can you point me to someone who can do this as the existing photo is over 5 years old. --Hutch 03:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry. You still cannot upload images, because you don't have the "autoconfirmed" user status, yet. Two days after account creation and after 10 edits users are automatically confirmed editors and can upload files. This is a some kind of protection because we don't want (new) editors to upload and replace lots of images. --MoerkJ talk 07:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I should have the edit count up high enough shortly. Have no fear, I will not be uploading any junk at all. Hutch 08:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

You're My Pet[edit]

A new article, You're My Pet, was recently started for the Korean version of Kimi wa Pet. However, the editor seems to have mistakenly read the news as referring to a new drama; the Korean version that is in casting at the moment is actually for a film. The translation and Korean source for this news is here. --Hanjae 14:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Honto ni Atta Kowai Hanashi[edit]

Hi MoerkJ =)

Recently, I've been working on the Honto ni Atta Kowai Hanashi page since it was incomplete. However, it's a bit complicated format wise, and I've consulted groink about it as well. If you could look at the page, I've done season 1 and most of the tanpatsu. I'll be adding in a synopsis, and season 2 and the rest of the tanpatsu specials. but, I was wondering what you think of how I formatted it. I'm happy to change it in any way that's best for drama wiki, so your suggestions will be great.

Just to give you a little background on it, this drama consists of 2 regular seasons but more recently, it has just turned into a yearly tanpatsu (from around 2005 it made that switch). Each episode consists of 3-5 mini-dramas with a bunch of different actors in each of the mini-drama (thus the extensive cast list). So template-wise, I was thinking of just having the list of cast for the regular season. For the tanpatsu part, its very similar to Yonimo Kimyo na Monogatari, so as per groink's suggestion, I followed the template of Yonimo for the Honto tanpatsu series.

So please take a look at the page and let me know what you think. As long as I can preserve the information I'm more than happy to change it in any way =) --previously unsigned message posted by IwaseJEN on 18 May 2010 at 08:30

The page structure looks fine to me. Splitting the tanpatsu specials to separate pages is also a good idea if they differ a lot from each other (different plot, cast, etc) and contain enough information to stand on their own. I guess you will link to the specials/tanpatsus that aired before season 1 in a similar way. I'm just wondering because I saw some related shows from 1999-2003 and 1991/1992 on the Japanese Wikipedia article (which I don't understand at all).
Actually we don't really have (or need) an exact "design template" for series that consist of independent stories. So, you don't really need to worry about the page design. For example, we have several articles on kdrama series (sometimes called "omnibus dramas") which consist of independent segments. All these articles are structured very differently and have a different level of detail, e.g. Hometown Legends, Love Story (SBS), Vacation, Beating Heart. --MoerkJ talk 12:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your input =) I've looked at some of the examples you listed, and I quite like the Hometown Legends one. I realized that if I add in Season 2 on to the page, the page is going to be very very extensive and perhaps even confusing. So, with that in mind I'm thinking of actually creating a seperate page for Season 1 and Season 2 like I did for the seperate specials. That way I can keep everything more organized and it'll probably be more easier to look at. So, if I create the seperate pages for the seasons, like the Hometown one, I can have the Episode one etc be the titles and also have subtitles of the mini-drama within each episode etc. I've tried doing a sample just to see what it would look like and it did indeed look more organized than just listing season 1 and season 2 on the same page.
Also, yeah it gets even more complicated b/c before the regular seasons they had a few specials. They moved around time slots often, they used to be part of the Friday Entertainment slot, then they had 2 regular seasons, but now they're part of the Kayo Special slot. I'll make sure to add all that in =) Thanks again. --IwaseJEN 18 May 2010

Romanization of 중[edit]

Would you mind if I change Dal-Jung's Cinderella to Dal Joong's Cinderella? Your Revised Romanization translation is correct, but for the charaacter 중, Joong instead of Jung seems to be the norm for Dramawiki.
On the same subject - Can you please take a look at the DramaWiki table on my user page? I would like add it (or something like it) to DramaWiki. Thanks --Imian 07:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, according to our guidelines for korean name romanization it should be rather Dal-Joong than Dal-Jung. I probably didn't noticed what I was romanizing here.
Where do you want to integrate that table? There exist already good websites which explain romanization and pronounciation in detail, e.g. Btw, the table uses the class "MainPageBG" which is nowhere defined in DramaWiki. --MoerkJ talk 16:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I took so long to reply...I was thinking about putting a table for some common names right after the main table in our guidelines for korean name romanization.
You're right - they are a lot of good websites that explain romanization, but they were usually biased towards using some subset of the revised romanization endorsed by the S Korean government (Gim/Kim, Bak/Park, Yi/Lee) - and it took me quite a long time to understand the rules and the DramaWiki exceptions to the rules (Yun/Yeon, Yoon/Yun, Suk/Seok, Sook/Suk). I had always thought that it would be nice to have more examples of what was "preferred DramaWiki romanization" in our guidelines. Thanks --Imian 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
What we use here for names is basically some kind of simplified McCune-Reischauer romanization using only the letters A-Z and no breves or apostrophes. So, for the vowels we'd use u instead of ŏ (ㅓ), and eu instead of ŭ (ㅡ). The rest is more or less straight-forward.
Personally, I never learned Korean and have the same problems. When I'm unsure, I just use our Google-searchbox or a little romanization tool I programmed myself to find the transcription for certain letters. Maybe having a list with some examples would be helpful for a few editors. But, I think, it would just give the wrong impression that there exists an exact transcription that is always the right one. Some artists prefer a different romanization for their name (or parts of it). --MoerkJ talk 23:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
You do have a point there...translation is not an exact science...I'll put this idea on the back burner for now...Thanks --Imian 23:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to pop in here, but I've been wondering about the romanization of "eo" (ㅓ) for awhile now. For stylistic reasons, I can understand the appeal of using "uh" over "eo" when it's at the beginning (Uhn), but I've had many a discussion with Korean friends and they all stress that "uh" is only used to help people visualize the sound for "eo." It's not really correct. For names like "Seo", it particularly sticks out like a sore thumb. I know we also try to use what's most common on the Internet to ease searching, and "Seo", "Yeon" and "Jeon" are far more commonly used than "Suh", "Yun" and "Jun." The other problem with the latter two is that it's very easy to look at it and read it as "Yoon" and "Joon" if you're unfamiliar with Wiki guidelines and the reading of hangul, and probably confuses searchers more than anything. --Hanjae 03:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, the guidelines for Korean personal names were fixed in 2006 and describe in a consistent way how we romanized the names in 2005 and 2006. The guidelines apply only if (1) there is no official romanization provided by the artist or his/her agency, and (2) no commonly used romanization can be found (through a Google-test for example). If you think the guide needs to be changed or further specified in some way then you may post a proposal on its talkpage. Btw, it looks like the romanization of ㅓ has been discussed before. --MoerkJ talk 12:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello Moerkj

Is it better to do nothing than to make a few mistakes? I've created a few pages on wiki.d-addicts and I've made a few mistakes sometimes ( bad translation of a name or a word). I've also corrected other's mistakes sometimes.

Obviously, when making a small mistake here, you have someone leaving you a message telling to to read all the rules again, blablabla... I guess unless you're sure to create a perfect page, it's better to do nothing, but why the "edit" button then? It's not needed!!!!

Personnally, I think that when you create a page full of informations and that you have to edit all the links related to the page, you can make a few mistakes at the end, when you get a bit tired, that's human.

I'm done with the wiki but when I think of the time I've wasted here....

best regards --20CB 14:30, 10 July 2010

Don't take it too personal. Everybody has to learn how to edit a Wiki. The other editors just want to be helpful. They are pointing you to our guides so they don't have to cleanup your edits. And yes, the information is more important than its representation. --MoerkJ talk 16:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Jump / 跳出去 & Shi Quan Jiu Mei / 十全九美[edit]

A user recently created pages for these two Singaporean films: Jump / 跳出去 and Shi Quan Jiu Mei / 十全九美. Films aren't supposed to have their own pages and I guess the new user didn't know that. --C51236 21:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I have deleted them. --MoerkJ talk 22:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
No problem. Should the Leon Jay Williams film section should be fixed too? --C51236 22:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll fix that. --MoerkJ talk 23:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin vs. Telecinema (Heaven's Postman)[edit]

I noticed that a user created a separate page for Hero Jaejoong & Han Hyo Joo's drama/film Heaven's Postman.. One is Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin and the other is the Telecinema article. This was a joint project between Korea and Japan. Should these one act dramas each have their own page? Or should the Telecinema page be deleted then? It's a bit confusing as there's two different links for one drama on Jaejoong's page. --C51236 00:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

IMHO, the page Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin is redundant. All useful information should be merged into the existing Telecinema article. For co-productions we list the air dates and titles for both countries (see Friends (2002) or Tree of Heaven). Splitting the seven Telecinema tv-movies into separate pages may be a good idea. In that case Telecinema should be kept as an index page for the separated pages. The index can look like other articles of one-act drama series (i.e. Drama City, Drama Special, MBC Best Theater, or Banjun Drama). --MoerkJ talk 09:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I made a start on splitting the seven telecinema episodes into separate pages by merging all the useful information from Tengoku e no Yuubin Haitatsunin and its section under the Telecinema page into Postman to Heaven (its official English title). However, I just realized that aside from the air date of Postman to Heaven, which some helpful fans provided, most (if not all) of the remaining episodes are only listed on Korean websites by their "release date." I assume that's the date they were first released in CGV theatres, not broadcasted on SBS. Should I include the release date as one of the headings under the episode details in place of the broadcast date, then? --Hanjae 11:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, I'd list all known TV boadcast dates in the top details section. Although the Telecinema parts were originally produced as theatrical movies, the movie release dates rather belong to the notes/trivia section. Maybe, all the missing SBS tv air dates can be found through google. For example, I could find 2011-Feb-04 25:20~27:00 as air date for "Triangle". But I'm unsure whether that was a re-run or not. Btw, using the SBS planner, you can find out the exact air time for "Love is Blind" (18:10~20:00).
Finally, i think the after-midnight air date for "Postman to Heaven" is mixed up somehow. Looking in my calendar, shouldn't it be either "Friday 2010-Sep-24 24:40 to 26:35" or "Saturday 2010-Sep-25 0:40 to 2:35"? The first notation seems to be the one we use. --MoerkJ talk 22:23, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh, that's a good point re: the air date for Postman to Heaven; I never even noticed that mistake when I did the merging. Fixed it to reflect the former notation method.
I've seen the 2011-Feb-04 date for "Triangle" on Korean torrents as well. 25:20 would be 1:20am on Feb 5th though, technically. Do we use the latter format once it goes past the midnight hour? --Hanjae 03:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, the guide doesn't explicitly mention how to treat after midnight shows. All the Friday/Saturday late night JDrama pages use a 24/25/26 hour air time. Many Korean programm schedules use this notation as well (see links above, and File:AGBNielsen 2005-08-28 day tv.pdf). So, I think we better stick with that. --MoerkJ talk 21:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Mobile dramas?[edit]

Hi MoerkJ, I just wanted to find out dramawiki's stance on mobile/cell phone dramas. A user made a page for it, so before I let them know (if I need to) I wanted to double check regarding how we handled mobile dramas. I believe this was brought up a while ago with, here's a reference, does that still stand? If so would I just mark the page for deletion and let the user know about it? Thank you~ --iwaseJEN

Well, honestly, I'm not familiar with cell phone dramas. I have no idea how many of such dramas exist and if they are really exclusively produced for cell phones. Actually I think we should accept all dramas to be included in DramaWiki. So, it shouldn't matter whether the series (or drama specials) are distributed through terrestrial/cable/satellite TV or straight to media (i.e. VHS, DVD, iTunes, USB sticks, or other modern media including app stores). As long as the format and production quality is similar to the TV shows it should be ok for DramaWiki. Perhaps it should be noted on the page that it is exclusively distributed thought the web or appstores (or whatever BeeTV is). Btw, Himitsu no Kankei ~Sensei wa Doukyonin~ is also listed on IMDb just like other tv shows are. --MoerkJ talk 23:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi MoerkJ~ Thanks for your input =) Cell phone dramas are solely for cell phone users and can only be viewed in Japan. For example, Bee TV, it was created by docomo and avex (a cellphone provider company and a talent agency respectively) And you pay money to watch it. And according to the site, it says that for example Bee TV is exclusively for docomo users. But I do agree with your stance on regarding all dramas as, well, dramas XD. I'll leave it be and perhaps add a note to the page as you suggested. Thanks again ^^ --iwaseJEN

new cable networks jTBC & MBN[edit]

So Korean cable networks have been launching over Korea this past December. Two of them are jTBC and MBN. I was wondering if you could add them to the list of stations in the KDrama category. There's also another one, TV Chosun? But I do not know if CSTV is the same abbreviation for that or not... The category for that cable network has not been created yet. Thanks! --C51236 05:51, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'll integrate the four new channels into {{KDrama}}. --MoerkJ talk 19:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting Request[edit]

I'm sorry if I bother you, but i accidentally uploaded an image that should be uploaded to another page. Please delete it so i can upload it on another link. thanks... this is the link of image that i want to delete: File:Kwak Dong Yeon 1.jpg --previously unsigned message posted by Podeclover on 18 May 2012 at 17:32 (CET)

Done. Btw, you can easily mark pages and images for deletion with no need to ask anyone for help. Thanks and happy Wiki'ing. --MoerkJ talk 15:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


There's a problem with the page Hua Kai Ban Xia. It says "There is currently no text in this page", but the page was definitely created. When you try to compare different versions under the history tab, the following message appears: "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "(fixme, bug)". This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted. If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL." --Lady Zhuge 14:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

It seems that the last copy got lost somehow. Or maybe saving the last edit didn't succeed. You can access older copies through the page history. Just select the most recent available one and edit&save it again to fix this error. --MoerkJ talk 15:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Mini-movies / Webisodes[edit]

Hi MoerkJ, I noticed there is a sharp increase in made-for-web-TV with Chinese dramas. Do we list them under TV Dramas, Movies, or a separate category such as Webisodes? One example is Rainie Yang's 3-episode mini-movie Wishing for happiness, which first aired on Yahoo. --WaterOB 03:35, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Good question. We had a similar issue with Japanese "mobile dramas" (see discussion above). I think we should continue to list all "WebTV" or "mobile series" together with "traditional television" series. IMHO it doesn't make much sense to create separate sections to distinguish all different kinds of media channels. And if there exists some kind of webtv channel on Yahoo then we can create a separate category like the one for BeeTV. --MoerkJ talk 18:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

User Marc8[edit]

Hi MoerkJ, I want advice on what to do with editor Marc8. He is a good contributor, except that he has an annoying propensity to move actor/actress pages for no good reason. An example is Lee Jenny vs Lee Je Ni. Obviously, both names apply to the actress. My philosophy is to leave the page as whatever name it was created under. He would move it. The problem I have with his edit is that it's not consistent. He move some to Korean/Chinese names and others to English names. Ugh! It irritates me to find all kinds of redirect under the cast section. Since it's not vandalism, I'm not sure what to do. Is there a way to make him stop? Or, should I let he continue with his "page moving" rampage? --WaterOB (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too. I cannot comment on the quality of his page moves. But as long as the new pagename seems to be correct (or at least a proper romanization) it should be ok to move the article. I assume he's just creating AKAs in good faith. Creating AKAs by renaming/moving articles is fine, as long as there won't be any name clashes for persons with similar or same names. Disambiguating such pages can become difficult because you may need to fix a lot of links. A real pain can be manually created redirects (or copy redirects) because normal users cannot move over such redirects. Admins have to delete blocking redirects to make way for the move. If a move seems weird we can still re-rename the page (move over redirect) anytime.
Funny thing is, I just noticed that Lee Je Ni's actual artist name seems to be neither Lee Jenny, Jenny Lee, nor Jennie Lee but Jennifer Lee.[2] --MoerkJ talk 16:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Question about Romanization of Names[edit]

Hi MoerkJ, I have a quick question about romanization of names. As an example, I noticed you created a disambiguation page for Mori Koko (old and young). However, young Mori Koko is fine, but older Mori Koko should be Mori Kouko (もり こうこ) and her agency link also says Kouko. With the romanization you use in Dramawiki, do you drop the 'u'?

And speaking of which, I've always wondered about the other names that seem to follow that pattern. Like some are Kouji and others are Koji, and I'm assuming some of that depends on how the agency romanizes it, but others, I wonder which you should go by. I know that for the long vowels, you would make it singular, like ooshima-->oshima. I have read through the guidelines, but I was confused about the 'ou' usage. A major thank you in advance, as this would clear up a lot for me XD --Shigesuke87

Thanks for noticing. First, I don't really understand the Japanese language and its romanization. DramaWiki:Romanization of Japanese sets our guidelines. I only know that there were several wapuro related discussions and many article name changes in the past. I will redirect Mori Koko (1929) to Mori Kouko to be in line with the official page. It looks that I got confused with the different romanizations here. We have indeed several redlinks to Mori Kouko (森康子). And some dramas that are listed for the young actress seem to belong to the page of the old lady. Maybe some of our jdrama experts can help fixing that. --MoerkJ talk 16:27, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Well I'm familiar with the romanizations, but just not with what's used here, for some I see consistency, for others not so much, so that led to my confusion lol. But thanks for the links to the discussions, I'll try and read through some to see if it'll clarify anything! =) --Shigesuke87