User talk:Ruroshin

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Sidebar[edit]

Looks like you have changed the navigation table on the left side. With these changes you destroyed the multi-language feature for the wikimedia-skin. I'd suggest either deactivating this function or to change back to the old setup. --Guenny 06:51, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Interesting, I didn't know that. On the other hand do we need the multi-language skin feature? Everything here is assumed to be written in english and is designed for the english speakers. Anybody else have any comments on this? --Ruroshin 23:48, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Broken characters[edit]

It sounds strange, I noticed that some CJK characters are broken in many pages. I tried to correct, e.g., the page of Sekai no Chuushin de, Ai wo Sakebu but two days later I found that those characters are broken again (the history does show that I am the last modifier). Although this wiki is designed for english speakers, I think it should keep names of titles/artists correct in their mother languages. Any idea? --Panasonic 11:32, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

Panasonic, you should read the last page of the DramaWiki discussion topic: Official DramaWiki Topic on D-Addicts --Gryzze 12:02, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

To answer Panasonic's question... We've settled on the idea that the kana names should be kept only in their primary articles, and to leave them out of any other articles linking to the primary. Trying to provide both the romaji and kana in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE adds bulk to the database, and overall it is just redundant information that can otherwise be found in their primary articles. Also given the fact that every Japanese speaking person can read romaji. AND, the Japanese has their own drama wiki database at ja.wikipedia.org. So in the case of the article you were referring to, I'd remove the kana from all the artist references within the article. Groink 13:31, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

About your message...[edit]

Hello...

about the ratings...I got it from TNS...ive documented all the ratings they've posted...so sorry if i forgot to put my sources...

PS: The All time top 30 ratings was also posted in Soompi forums...my other source is also this: http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006071.html

hope that answers your questions :)

cool thanks --Ruroshin 09:25, 22 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Dramafever.com[edit]

Is the addition of external links by this user Dfever really allowed on Dramawiki? That guy keeps promoting his website while in fact the streaming is only for US and Canada area. I thought dramawiki is to provide info for dramas not to promote some online streaming websites?--Natokajun 23:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

contributing to d-addicts[edit]

I know I am relatively new on this wiki, but I would like to help it in any way possible. I am not a real active user of editing wikis, but rather administrative tasks/back-end type stuff. Is there any good place for me to get started on this? Thanks. Waf (talk) Hello! Goodbye! 02:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi![edit]

Hi~ right now I want to upload image on an artist page Su Ho but I have a problem with it, I read the Help page but don't understand much so please help me :( --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Junmyeons (talk) on 10:22, 20 January 2014 UTC

Since Ruroshin rarely visits this wiki I will answer... The image has already been added. You couldn't upload because you didn't have the permissions to upload, yet. I have updateted the help page. It should be clear now. --MoerkJ talk 01:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Page moves citing DMCA Notice[edit]

I noticed that you moved a whole bunch of pages to new, rather irregular page titles, citing DMCA Notice, which I assume has to do with some copyright issue with the original page addresses. Unfortunately, this has resulted in hundreds of broken links between the show and artists pages. Should we start updating these broken links or did you have something else in mind?--FritzB (talk) 23:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Ruroshin was requesting for help to update the broken links caused by this, so yes. --Zemus (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Need Help Fixing Internal Links[edit]

Hi,

Yesterday and today I moved around 60 pages due to DMCA notices. Even though the said pages were not in violation. I had to move them because they were linked to infringing sources.

FritzB, yes, we do need help to fix all the internal links that have been broken due to the page moves.

I will add cleanup tags to the pages maybe later today or tomorrow. In the meantime, if you can find them and fix them, great!

Thank you.

Okay. I've fixed all of the associated links for Athena: Goddess of War (2010-2011). I'll do more as time permits.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not too thrilled with some of these new page titles like My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox (Nae Yeojachinguneun Gumiho)‎. They are rather ungainly and inconsistent with the Manual of Style. Would it be okay if I changed some of them again to something more in keeping with the rest of the database (as long as it is different from the original page title)? For instance, the previous example could become My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox (2010) or My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox (SBS). For many of the individual Artist pages, just adding the year of their birth in parentheses, such as Lee Dong Gun (Lee Dong Geon) -> Lee Dong Gun (1980) would be much better imho. We already use that general format is used a lot to readily distinguish different artists with the same name. --FritzB (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I have to agree with FritzB. Toda Erika (Actress, Model). In this example, do we really have to list every profession up in the page title? I think we should maintain a much simpler naming format and at the very least drop ", Model". --Zemus (talk) 17:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I'd be in favor of something more like Toda Erika (1988).--FritzB (talk) 17:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm OK with changing the title to keep the consistency. I did the title changes in a hurry to avoid any further notices. I think adding the year or channel name would be fine. --Ruroshin (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Great! I'll get to work. I just changed The Heirs (Wangkwaneul Sseuryeoneunja) to just Heirs, which is the title actually used on sites like Dramafever.--FritzB (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Suggestions to Expand Page Content and Wiki[edit]

I would like to know your thoughts on:

  • Adding a "Review" section at the bottom of the page, before "External Links." Review needs to be detailed with at least 500 words. Multiple users can leave reviews under the same section by creating a new sub-section. Sub-section could look something like:
       === Review by User:Ruroshin ===

  • Expand the "Main Cast" section. If possible, add description about the roles.

Also, please share any suggestion(s) that you have in mind.

Thank you, --Ruroshin (talk) 23:55, 17 September 2018 (PDT)

Have page content standards been changed?[edit]

I'm not sure if you have noticed, but several relatively new users have been adding large amounts of mostly non-drama related "fan" content to various pages (several recent examples: Onew, Gackt). By the existing Manual of Style, much of this info would qualify under DramaWiki:DramaWiki_is_not. These include things like extensive biographies, lists of Variety Show and Radio appearances, concert tours dates, and tons of fan trivia.

I have already deleted some of the more blatant fancruft, only to have it put back. I am not an admin here, so rather than enter into some frustrating edit war with other users, I would like to confirm whether this sort of material now permitted on DramaWiki?--FritzB (talk) 15:22, 3 October 2018 (PDT)

I have talked to Nova984 and told him about not adding any fancruft content in Trivia sections, or anywhere else. I don't mind detailed biographies as long as it is factual information. I think we've been too restrictive in the past.
We have to have more information on Artists and Shows pages because organic and direct traffic to DW has fallen significantly over the past few years. If we continue to add minimal info, I'm afraid that we're going fall further back in Google search. --Ruroshin (talk) 22:11, 3 October 2018 (PDT)
Okay. I'm personally not too keen on these full-page 12,000 character bios that are so-often non-drama related, but I won't delete them. Personally, I would prefer more concise descriptions with a few highlights, rather than chapter and verse of an artist's entire career that has to be scrolled through just to reach their drama credits. Currently most artists in my normal bailiwick of Korean dramas have no bios at all. Another option would be to have a brief "About" overview section and to off-load the full bio to a subpage with a link as more about... That wouldn't be hard to do.
I don't really have a problem with stuff like lists of Variety Shows appearances and Theater roles, etc. as these are factual and not much different than the existing listings for Movie credits. But, I still can't abide the fancruft trivia and will continue to delete it when I come across it. Why do we need to know that Onew would love to learn to play the marimba? Seriously! --FritzB (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2018 (PDT)
I understand your concern. As I said before, we need to have a bit more content. I think one to two paragraphs should be enough for "About" sections, anything over that can be moved to a new page.
You can delete the fancruft stuff. I don't care if Onew doesn't know how to play marimba yet. ;)

Was it necessary to move Hwayugi to A Korean Odyssey?[edit]

Hi, I'm just wondering why it was necessary to move Hwayugi to A Korean Odyssey?

While it is true that "A Korean Odyssey" is tvN's official English title for the drama, all of the Hallyu press was calling it "Hwayugi" in the lead-up to its premiere and the original exclusive (legal) English-language streaming site for it, Viki, did as well - and still does (ref: https://www.viki.com/tv/35620c-hwayugi?q=hwa). When tvN announced the new title, it was the consensus of the DW editors at the time to leave it as "Hwayugi" and have "A Korean Odyssey" as a redirect.

Changing the title now leaves a really big mess to clean-up. There are currently well over 40 links to Hwayugi, which now need to be updated!--FritzB (talk) 10:10, 15 October 2018 (PDT)

I'm not certain if it's known by "Hwayugi" anymore. All the English sources I have checked like Wikipedia, AsianWiki, IMDB, MyDramaList, and Netflix mention it by "A Korean Odyssey," except Viki. Also, I didn't find any search statistics on "Hwayugi," meaning people are not using this name to search for the drama. --Ruroshin (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2018 (PDT)

Popular Korean Dramas list[edit]

I noticed you added a link to Popular Korean Dramas on the main page and I was wondering what you had in mind for this feature. As the guy who adds most the daily ratings here for all the KDramas, I had a few thoughts about it.

First off, I would remove the TNmS ratings and the Nielsen ratings for Seoul. TNmS stopped publicly publishing their daily ratings in June, so the availability of their ratings has been pretty spotty ever since. Also, I don't believe including the Seoul ratings will add much; once you add the show titles and a couple cast names, there probably won't be space for them anyway.

If we stick strictly by the ratings, the weekend "family dramas" and daily "soaps" will undoubtedly dominate these lists and I don't think that's what you're really looking for. Most of us non-Koreans don't watch the daily "soaps" at all.

So, leaving out the daily "soaps", here is a sample list for August as I might format it:

Rank Title Cast Network Nielsen Korea (%)
1 Shall We Live Together Yoo Dong Geun, Jang Mi Hee KBS2 34.4
2 Mr. Sunshine Lee Byung Hun, Kim Tae Ri tvN 15.6
3 Let Me Introduce Her Nam Sang Mi, Kim Jae Won SBS 11.9
4 Rich Family's Son Kim Ji Hoon, Kim Joo Hyun MBC 10.8
4 Thirty But Seventeen Shin Hye Sun, Yang Se Jong SBS 10.8
6 Parting Left Chae Si Ra, Lee Sung Jae MBC 9.8
7 Your Honor Yoon Shi Yoon, Lee Yoo Young SBS 8.6
8 Familiar Wife Ji Sung, Han Ji Min tvN 8.2
9 Hide and Seek Lee Yoo Ri, Song Chang Ui MBC 8.1
10 Are You Human Too? Seo Kang Joon, Gong Seung Yun KBS2 7.8


I based the ranking (and ratings) on the highest rating the show received during August. Creating an average rating for the period would really be a lot of work.

This is probably still not ideal, because the weekenders still dominate (with half the list) and it's really not very fair to the cable shows, most of which will never make the cut (they seldom score as high as the big-3 network shows anyway). We could leave off the weekenders and stick to the primetime (10PM/11PM) dramas that most of us typically watch. That might be more of what you're looking for.

Let me know what you think.--FritzB (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2018 (PDT)

Let's stick with the prime-time shows which most people watch outside of Korea. I was trying to figure out the ratings but as you said, most of the top ratings is filled with daily soaps and weekend dramas. Please update it as you wish, all I wanted to do was create a way for the readers to look for the most popular dramas. Thank you! --Ruroshin (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2018 (PDT)
I suspected that's what you would want. I'll work on it.--FritzB (talk) 04:46, 22 October 2018 (PDT)