User talk:Groink/Archive 1

About romanization

Could you clarify a bit the comment on this change? To the best of my knowledge [1] no variant of Hepburn prescribe to drop the double vowel without using the macron (ou->ō). I'm ok if the wiki is going to adopt the approach you used (it's probably a de facto standard) but in the case I'm right I think it should be stated clearly that it's not standard Hepburn. --Eej 08:36, 28 Apr 2006 (EDT)

I don't know what you mean. The use of the character "o" versus "ō" does not make it non-Hepburn. We're using the Hepburn rules to establish the lettering, but we're also dropping the special characters like "ō" in order for the letters to be search compatible with various web search engines like Google. If you do not believe me, try this exercise: Log onto Google and perform two searches: "NHK Kōhaku" and "NHK Kohaku". As of this writing, there are 143 hits for "NHK Kōhaku", while there are 17,500 hits for "NHK Kohaku". This is because characters like "ō" differ from "o" in the ASCII chart, which is what computers use in comparison or sorting routines. You also have to remember that until the early 1990's, computer keyboards could not even produce the "ō" character, which is why a great number of articles and such do not use it.

If you're comparing DramaWiki with Wikipedia, you're completely wrong. Wikpedia is based in the ideology that it is an encyclopedia, and that ALL content must be written in an encyclopedia format - including the choice of characters in words. DramaWiki is NOT an encyclopedia - it is basically a database of information. While Wikipedia does not care about searchability, DramaWiki DOES care because it allows for people to use 3rd-party search engines to perform searches against our database, not bogging down the server. And keeping all characters within the 26-letter alphabet keeps the searches accurate, with the DramaWiki content showing up.

One last thing... The reason we do not use "ou" in the situation of おう is that most people in the Japanese drama community leave out the "u". Again, this is to make text within DramaWiki search compatible. If someone was trying to search for "Koumyou ga Tsuji", they might not have found us. Or "Itou Misaki". You can create an Internet-wide campaign to correct this, but you're going to lose. Groink 14:56, 28 Apr 2006 (EDT)

None of the above. I was only saying that Kohaku, in your example, is not, according to the official specifications, 'standard Hepburn'. That said, I'm perfectly fine with using Kohaku (as I wrote earlier I believe it is a de facto standard), I just think that the rules that DramaWiki has to follow should be defined and clearly stated, to avoid (or to reduce) chances of error due to misunderstendings, for the editor as for the reader. (Ex. we use Hepburn with (some) long vowels collapsed for reasons of compatibility/search and this others kind of exceptions or whatever).

Again, I'm not contesting nor proposing any alternative. I just want to fully understand the rules I have (and want) to follow. If I gave another impression is probably because of my lack of English skills.

And a related question. What about creating (many) pages with the different transcriptions redirecting to the 'canonical' one? Thank you for your patience. --Eej 15:38, 28 Apr 2006 (EDT)

I would not recommend it. If for any specific reason, it is to keep the wiki database from becoming too bloated. Currently there are 3943 valid articles on DramaWiki. There are actually 9111 articles, but almost two-thirds of that number could be re-directs to the 3943 articles. If we said it was okay to do so, we could see literally tens of thousands of redirect pages generated, which IMHO isn't something we really need here. Remember that DramaWiki is a division of D-Addicts. And the DramaWiki, D-Addicts message board, and the tracker all use the same resources. So basically we just stick with the most popular spelling of words and go with that. I also noticed someone created a redirect page for a nickname. I want to avoid creating those as well. We really don't need multiple pages for every canonical page. Groink 16:38, 28 Apr 2006 (EDT)

Ok. Got it.--Eej 03:06, 29 Apr 2006 (EDT)

He's an actor

Hi Groink, just wanna inform that Inoue Charu http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Inoue_Charu is actually a J-actor, not J-actress.

Thanks, Darren

I fixed this for you, groink. --YtToshi 10:58, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

Well, that wasn't me who made the mistake anyway. Thanks for cleaning it up. Groink 15:05, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

Yo!! "CM" is in every actor profile Why do u take it out???

I took it out because CM in the particular artist article was empty. You're wrong in that every article has it - it is only added if there is at least one CM entry to be made. We're trying to prevent blank headlines from existing on all articles. We do, however, allow blank headlines for External Links and TV dramas because they're fixed into the artist template. Groink 03:59, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

-There're entries for this CM section but i don't put them because i wasn't sure for the translation. But they do exist,in the offical site!! Amano

When you do come up with "something", THEN you can add the CM header. Other editors won't go out of their way to do the research (ex: adding an artist with no dramas listed). Groink 18:50, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Sh15uya

It sounds like someone is unhappy with the criteria you listed in the Sh15uya discussion page. The user goes on explaining about "sentai" and "tokusatsu" and wants an explanation as to why they are not allowed on the DramaWiki. --YtToshi 04:14, 3 Jun 2006 (EDT)

episode titles

Yeah, that looks a lot better. *slaps forehead* --awrittensin

Format of our wiki

I DID read the Help. And it seems to be outdated, if the edit you've done to my work would show. Seems there's where the confusion lies. If even you, in your capacity as the "watchdog of wiki", do not seem to be seen as strictly following the format (no where do I see Jpop Group in the artist profile...), then that leaves us to believe that we can improvise a little here and there as we deem fit. That was where I got confused, as I'd used a few of the existing pages as my reference, and almost ALL of them differ ever so slightly. Perhaps updating the help would really help us to keep to one format.

Cheers!

NHK Asadora comment

groink, I just wanted to let you know that the entry "Haru yo, Raii" should be changed to "Haru yo, Koi." The correct reading of 来い is "koi" (こい). If you ever have any questions about the readings of titles for Asadora, I've found this page to be really helpful: Asadora wikipedia entry. If you scroll down to the bottom and click on any given Asadora title, it will bring you to its individual entry, where the readings of the drama title are given in parenthesis. (So for example, 春よ、来い's entry says: "春よ、来い（はるよ、こい)." I hope that helps!

--awrittensin

Thanks for catching that. --Groink

Junjo Kirari

In the "Episode Synopsis By Week" table there seems to be a one-week shift starting from Week 11 (Week 11 links to week 12 etc). --Gryzze 05:11, 8 Jul 2006 (EDT)

Incomplete editing

All redirects have been fixed, so that all wiki-links in all the articles I have edited now redirect to the properly spelt articles. Now, the redirects containing the incorrect spellings can be deleted. --Ahbeng 00:21, 24 Jul 2006 (EDT)

No OVDs on DramaWiki

I saw your comment on OVDs and I have a question...

Would Tokyo Friends be considered an OVD?

I'm asking since I've been thinking on adding a similar drama. --Gryzze 08:41, 27 Jul 2006 (EDT)

It looks like OVDs sit between a TV drama and a movie. As of right now, "television-aired dramas" is what makes or breaks a show on DramaWiki, using the About information. Looking at Tokyo Friends, it was created by Fuji TV - a television network. However, seeing it is a OVD, it was not aired on television. Was it ever shown in movie theaters? There are several other "movies" I know of that were also produced by TV networks but shown only on the big screen, such as "Danny the Dog" (TBS) starring some of the Morning Musume girls.

The way I look at it, unless it is marketed as a TV drama and aired on TV, it should not be placed on DramaWiki. I may be reading into the About information literally, but that's all I can do unless the admins re-write it. Groink 14:19, 27 Jul 2006 (EDT)

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