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Change proposal to [[Dramawiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences]].
 
Change proposal to [[Dramawiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences]].
  
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I would like to propose the following changes to this document, based on how it's been followed.
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I would like to propose the following changes to this document, based on how it's been followed. The rationale is that if the majority doesn't follow the rule, change the rule.
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
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! Letter !! RR !! Dramawiki !! Reason for change  
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! Letter !! RR !! Dramawiki !! Reason for change
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| colspan="3" | Artist or agency preference overrides any of these rules, except the use of dashes: DramaWiki always uses a space to separate name parts. So [[Yoon Chan Young]] not <s>[http://www.snowballent.com/hm_board/photo/profile.php?code=hm_works&cate=works&star_id=6 Yoon Chan-young]</s>.
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| Add as primary exception. We may want to state what counts as a preference: do we simply take the spelling an agency uses or do they have to communicate it. If it is "take agency spelling from their site", then when you know the agency, you don't have to look through the table.
 
|-
 
|-
 
| ᄀ  
 
| ᄀ  
 
|g/k
 
|g/k
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|Follow RR, exceptions:
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|Follow RR ([[Go Ah Ra|'''G'''o Ah Ra]], [[Suk Bo Bae|Su'''k''' Bo Bae]]), exceptions:
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*김 is always Kim
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*김 is always Kim ([[Kim Ae Ran|'''Kim''' Ae Ran]]])
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*강 is always Kang (for example [[Kang Boo Ja]] and [[Choi Kang Hee]])
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*강 is always Kang ([[Kang Boo Ja|'''Kang''' Boo Ja]], [[Choi Kang Hee|Choi '''Kang''' Hee]])
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*if followed by ᅲ use Kyu (for example [[Kim Yong Kyu]] and [[Lee Sun Kyun]])
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*if followed by ᅲ use Kyu ([[Kim Yong Kyu|Kim Yong '''Kyu''']],  [[Lee Sun Kyun|Lee Sun '''Kyu'''n]])
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*if followed by ᅧ use Kyu (for example [[Kyun Mi Ri]] and [[Kim Kyung Hee]])
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*if followed by ᅧ use Kyu (for example [[Kyun Mi Ri|'''Kyu'''n Mi Ri]] and [[Kim Kyung Hee|Kim '''Kyu'''ng Hee]])
 
| Following what has been entered for Kang and Kyu
 
| Following what has been entered for Kang and Kyu
 
|-
 
|-
 
| ㅣ
 
| ㅣ
 
| i
 
| i
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| Follow RR (for example [[Min Do Hee]]), except for:
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| Follow RR (for example [[Min Do Hee|M'''i'''n Do Hee]]), except for:
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* Surname 이 becomes Lee ([[Lee Ae Jung]])
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* Surname 이 becomes Lee ([[Lee Ae Jung|'''Lee''' Ae Jung]])
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* 일 becomes il ([[Jung Il Woo]])
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* 일 becomes il ([[Jung Il Woo|Jung '''Il''' Woo]])
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* 이 becomes yi in all other cases ([[So Yi Hyun]] and [[Yoon So Yi]])
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* 이 becomes yi in all other cases ([[So Yi Hyun|So '''Yi''' Hyun]] and [[Yoon So Yi|Yoon So '''Yi''']])
 
| Il is nowhere written as Yil
 
| Il is nowhere written as Yil
 
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| Example || Example || Example || Example
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| ㅚ
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| oe
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| Follow RR, exception:
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* oi for final ([[Choi Ja Hye|Ch'''oi''' Ja Hye]])
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'''Note''': No known an example where ㅚ is not final. It may not exist in names.
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| Current rule is an error as RR uses ''oe'' not ''we''.
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|-
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| ᅰ
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| we
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| Follow RR
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| Current rule uses wrong RR representation
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|-
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| ᅥ
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| eo
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|Use our own rules:
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* 서 becomes Suh. However, Seo is just as common, which may come from artist / agency preference ([[Suh Hyun Joo|'''Suh''' Hyun Joo]] and [[Kim Hyo Seo|Kim Hyo '''Seo''']]).
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* Use '''uh''' over eo if beginning with '''ㅇ''' ([[Uh Soo Sun|'''Uh''' Soo Sun]], [[Im Sung Uhn|Im Sung '''Uh'''n]]).
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* Use u over eo in any other instances ([[Sung Hoon|S'''u'''ng Hoon]]).
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| Current example actually redirects to usage of ''eo''. Provide unambiguous examples. State Suh versus Seo in practice:
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* Several Suh redirect to Seo.
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** Some redirects still have the Suh version as primary name ([[Suh Do Young]], [[Suh Ji Hee]])
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** Some don't, but then put the Suh version as being RR in brackets ([[Suh Ji Hee]])
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* Most Seo list Suh in brackets as if Revised Romanization, which is incorrect. Where it's done correctly is [[Seo Bum Suk]], wrong [[Seo Bum Shik]], [[Seo Chan Ho]], etc.
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* Page name Suh, primary name Seo, RR name Suh: [[Suh Ji Hee]]
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It might be a good idea to clean these up and provide consistency:
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* When page URL uses Seo (without redirects):
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** Make sure Seo is used as preferred name
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** Move Suh version to '''Also known as:'''
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** Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules and remove the it if identical to preferred name.
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* When page URL uses Suh (without redirects):
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** Make sure Suh is used as preferred name
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** Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules
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** Move any alternate spelling that is not RR nor URL version to '''Also known as:'''
 
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I'd also like to remove the McR column from the table. For me personally it was confusing and every time I looked up a letter, I had to check if I was referring to the correct column. If we're basing the rules on RR, McR isn't relevant so why clutter the document with information that shouldn't be used.

Latest revision as of 02:06, 21 July 2020

Change proposal to Dramawiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences.

I would like to propose the following changes to this document, based on how it's been followed. The rationale is that if the majority doesn't follow the rule, change the rule.

Letter RR Dramawiki Reason for change
Artist or agency preference overrides any of these rules, except the use of dashes: DramaWiki always uses a space to separate name parts. So Yoon Chan Young not Yoon Chan-young. Add as primary exception. We may want to state what counts as a preference: do we simply take the spelling an agency uses or do they have to communicate it. If it is "take agency spelling from their site", then when you know the agency, you don't have to look through the table.
ᄀ g/k Follow RR (Go Ah Ra, Suk Bo Bae), exceptions: Following what has been entered for Kang and Kyu
ㅣ i Follow RR (for example Min Do Hee), except for: Il is nowhere written as Yil
ㅚ oe Follow RR, exception:

Note: No known an example where ㅚ is not final. It may not exist in names.

Current rule is an error as RR uses oe not we.
ᅰ we Follow RR Current rule uses wrong RR representation
ᅥ eo Use our own rules: Current example actually redirects to usage of eo. Provide unambiguous examples. State Suh versus Seo in practice:
  • Several Suh redirect to Seo.
    • Some redirects still have the Suh version as primary name (Suh Do Young, Suh Ji Hee)
    • Some don't, but then put the Suh version as being RR in brackets (Suh Ji Hee)
  • Most Seo list Suh in brackets as if Revised Romanization, which is incorrect. Where it's done correctly is Seo Bum Suk, wrong Seo Bum Shik, Seo Chan Ho, etc.
  • Page name Suh, primary name Seo, RR name Suh: Suh Ji Hee

It might be a good idea to clean these up and provide consistency:

  • When page URL uses Seo (without redirects):
    • Make sure Seo is used as preferred name
    • Move Suh version to Also known as:
    • Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules and remove the it if identical to preferred name.
  • When page URL uses Suh (without redirects):
    • Make sure Suh is used as preferred name
    • Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules
    • Move any alternate spelling that is not RR nor URL version to Also known as:

I'd also like to remove the McR column from the table. For me personally it was confusing and every time I looked up a letter, I had to check if I was referring to the correct column. If we're basing the rules on RR, McR isn't relevant so why clutter the document with information that shouldn't be used.

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