User talk:Lady Zhuge

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sorry, I didn't mean to write on your user page. Yea i notice the date, i just thought maybe the new change didn't register so maybe that why it was showing over and over again. anyhow, thanks for replying back. -- Muggle87

Li Xiao Ran

Hi Lady Zhuge! Did Li Xiao Ran get a plastic surgery in the past year? The new photo you uploaded for her looks nothing like her. If she still looks relatively the same as two years ago, then the image has WAY TOO MUCH photoshop done (which, for some reason, the Chinese agencies love to go overboard with). I've noticed that you uploaded couple pictures with the same issue, including Liu Shi Shi (she looks like a plastic doll). Please get a new profile image for her, even if it's not the "official" photo.

Our goal is to have profile images in which the actor/actress' faces are front and center with minimum photoshop changes. Photoshop is meant to enhance how they look, not change them to a different person. The important thing is for us to find an image that actually look like them on TV. Let me know if you have any question. Thanks for all the uploads!--WaterOB 02:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

To each their own, I guess. You had replaced a perfectly fine picture of Liu Shi Shi completely unphotoshopped with one of her wearing a hat that distracted from her face and was too posy. That's why I replaced it with a recent one with some focus. Plastic-looking or not, she's still recognizable. If you can find a better picture that meets DramaWiki standards, then by all means, replace it. As for Li Xiao Ran, I don't think she's had plastic surgery done, but she does like to play with different styles (make-up, hair, etc.) - I came across the particular photo you're referring to in an article which highlighted some of them. Since this photo bothers you so much, I will go ahead and replace it. But don't go around reverting pictures based solely on your own views. --Lady Zhuge 07:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

For your information, I did not go around reverting images (except for Dai Chun Rong, my mouse click is quicker than my brain). I brought this issue to you for this precise reason - we have a difference of opinion. Li Xiao Ran's pic was obviously not acceptable because it didn't look like her, regardless how it fits with Dramawiki guideline. I brought up Liu Shi Shi to establish a pattern (a disturbing one for me at least) in your replacement photos, which is too much photoshop. You have since replaced them after our discussion. The new pix are infinitely better than the old ones, especially for Li Xiao Ran. While I like your most recent Liu Shi Shi pic in every way, I disagree with your definition of "too posy" for mine. In my photo, her whole face is in full view as oppose to a profile view in the original. Despite a few strands of hair around her chin, there is nothing blocking her face. To me, that is the most important criteria when I choose my replacement. If I had found your most recent replacement, I would've use that one instead of mine. Since I didn't, I used the best one I saw. While we are on the issue of posing, would you take a second look at Shi Lei? IMO, the original was better than the replacement. --WaterOB 20:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree that Li Xiao Ran's picture may not look like her at first glance, but it's definitely her same wide lips and nose, but different eye makeup. Just because you don't recognize her doesn't mean it's not her. As for your picture of Liu Shi Shi, again, difference of opinion - I still feel that her hat and hand pose distract from her face (and what's up with the completely nonsensical file name?). And please google images of "profile view." Using that term to describe the original is clearly a gross exaggeration. Since I replaced Shi Lei's photo, of course it's because I feel it's an improvement over the previous upload. I never really liked the hat. This one's a clear head shot even if it's not "straight on." But I think I've found another picture that will appease the both of us. While I don't mind discussing choice of imagery with you, I don't appreciate your recent nit-picking of what feels like my every upload. Based on some of your uploads, I'm not of the opinion that you're the most qualified. If you can find better pictures, please just replace them with a comment if you feel that it's appropriate. Discussions with the bottom line being differences in personal opinion only detract from useful contributions to this site. --Lady Zhuge 23:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I apologize if I've unintentionally offended you and caused you to go on the defensive. I thought this was just a discussion between two editors about image selection. I did not mean to nit-pick. It's just that I was speaking to "you," so I only used "your" pix as examples. I could've easily used other people's pix if that made you feel less threatened. Just to clarify some misunderstandings: (1) I didn't mean profile view, I meant 3/4 face as oppose to full face. (2) I'm not arguing that the pic wasn't Li Xiao Ran. I'm arguing that she is "unrecognizable" in that pic to casual viewers (please don't make me look carefully at a pic to find resemblance). (3) As long as hat and hands are not blocking the face or cast a shadow, it's not distraction for me. Your objection is a matter of opinion. (4) Which of my uploads made you question my qualification as an editor? I've always try my best not to upload photo for the sake of uploading photo. I only replace a photo if the new one is better than the old one or fits more closely to Dramawiki guideline. --WaterOB 05:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Liu Shi Shi: Her ponytail was parted to one side, so perhaps that created the illusion of a more angled shot than it really was. IMO, the picture you uploaded in its place was not in good taste (hat, hair, head tilt, hand), which is why I replaced it. It reminded me of one of the "bad" examples posted under the guidelines for image selection and usage. Although the hand doesn't cast a shadow or cover the face, it's one of several issues which distracted from the face. Of course my objection is a matter of opinion, but it's no different than your objections to my uploads. I also do not like to make a habit of replacing photos simply for the sake of replacing them. But while we're on the topic of images and replacement, please stop uploading ones with third party logos like you did recently for Jin Guo Da Jiang Jun. I've had to replace several of your other poster uploads due to the same issue as well. --Lady Zhuge 07:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)