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Combining multiple seasons

Is is possible for you Chinese editors to combine multiple seasons into a single article? Rather than having one article for each season? If a show were to air for, let's say 18 seasons, I don't want to see 18 different articles. It would make more logical sense to keep all the seasons together in one article. We do this for the Japanese articles. Thanks! Groink 19:10, 19 Aug 2007 (CDT)

How should I start? Where to I send the old (season 2) articles once I combine it to the original (season 1) article? --WaterOB 09:08, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

In the Japanese articles, we section the article as "Season 1", "Season 2", etc. Then in the wikilink within the artist's article, we place [[Drama Name#Season 2|Drama Name 2]] for seasons 2 and up. Groink 11:49, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Since the combination needs to be done manually (cannot be moved or redirected), what would happened to the old articles (eg: season 2, 3, 4, etc) after the combination? Do we just leave it blank or tag them with request for deletion? --uladelz 15:07, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I added {{deletebecause|Article has been combined under [[Drama Name]]: Season 2, 3, 4, etc}} to the old articles.--WaterOB 16:04, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Add #REDIRECT [[Drama Name#Season 2]] to the old articles, so that we don't need to tag them with request for deletion. --uladelz 13:27, 21 Aug 2007 (CDT)

What should we do about unconfirmed season 2 articles, such as Corner with Love 2? --WaterOB 14:51, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Actually, if the show hasn't been confirmed, there shouldn't even be an article created for it. The {{unconfirmed}} was created as a way to handle incorrectly created articles for shows like Goong 2 and such, seeing no one can delete articles. But in the case of unconfirmed drama articles that already exists, I would just leave it as-is. But make sure that:

1. The article contains the {{unconfirmed}} tag.
2. NO ARTIST should be linking to the unconfirmed drama article.

Groink 17:57, 20 Aug 2007 (CDT)

What about situations like Liao Zhai 2 and Liao Zhai Qi Nu Zi when the original production company for Liao Zhai split into two and went their separate ways? --WaterOB 08:29, 21 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I suggest we don't have to combine them and just leave it as what they are now since they went to two different separate ways. Well, not all Japanese articles with different seasons have been combined into one article, so there must be a few exceptions in Chinese section too. --uladelz 09:29, 21 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I find combining different seasons into one article a very sufficient idea. I have noticed it in the Japanese articles. It helps the people who visit DramaWiki save a lot of time in looking up articles. Yamayo69 14:07, 21 Aug 2007

Unnecessary Hanzi?

The hanzi for the roles are a bit unnecessary as it leads nowhere in the case of trying to provide for English readers. Now, I understand why it would be essential for the artist as I do know many English readers would search for an artist through their hanzi. But for a role, I think not. And moreover, if following closely with the guidelines, there is no (<hanzi>) at the end of <character name> on cast. --Vivi.g 19:37, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

If no further complaint, I will proceed removing the hanzi again. --Vivi.g 19:48, 14 Au 2009 (PST)

this drama is not the only one you know

Yes, this isn't the only page with this "error". But as they say, if you don't start somewhere, you won't achieve anywhere. --Vivi.g 20:00, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

From what start?

It's a figure of speech. --Vivi.g 20:04, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

As for me, I don't get it

Marc8, do you have anything else that goes against my "theory"? If not, I will revert the page back to the other format.--Vivi.g 20:08, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

The reason why I want hanzi on characters because I' ll know the exact names on characters.

I believe that that's what the pinyin is for. And keep in mind this is the DramaWiki guideline I'm following, not what I wanted. --Vivi.g 20:14, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

This is no pinyin, it is romanization of Chinese language. For example, Ai, obviously means love. However, Ai can be means cloudy sky, to hide, narrow, etc. If you follow the DramaWiki guideline precisely, then there is a loophole in this guideline.

What you are pointing out is English translation. Which, yes, there are multiple meaning for almost every characters. But that, what you are exemplifying, has nothing to do with the way hanzi and pinyin are dealed here. This is not focusing on English translation, but rather converting hanzi into pinyin so they can be easily read by the English readers. Loophole or not, it is the guideline that is set for us to follow in here.--Vivi.g 20:39, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

What if the creator didn't realize that there is a flaw on character names? Why not ask Groink or Pinkpineapple about this? If they don't agreed about my concerns, then there is no need to debate on this any further. Just let you know, if they really honour your theory, they have a serious clean up to do.

To start off, I know absolutely nothing about Hanzi. From my understanding, Hanzi is not as clear cut as Kanji. When us Japanese editors romanize a given Kanji name, it is virtually indisputable because our Japanese romanization system is very specific. Given that, whenever an editor romanize Hanzi, we must trust the editor. We do at times have mis-transcriptions of the romanization, and we do correct it. Corrections are not a problem. As long as the person making the correction cites some sort of a reference, for example a trusted web site, the drama's official web site, Wikipedia (Japanese Wikipedia occasionally use spaced hiragana to aid in romanization), etc. we'll accept the correction. So in short, I don't think it is necessary to keep the Hanzi for character names for the reason of verification later on. I think a person who's very familiar with the drama is more than qualified to pick out incorrect romanization of character names without the Hanzi. I also encourage the fansubber of the drama to come to DramaWiki and make the corrections.

In short, the ONLY time Hanzi is left in an article is when the article (artist or drama title) hasn't yet been created. We leave the Hanzi in an article to help other editors search for articles referencing the Hanzi. Once the article is created, the editor will then hunt down all the articles containing the Hanzi, and then remove the Hanzi.

Again, I'm not an expert in Hanzi. But I do believe that Hanzi and Kanji have identical roles on DramaWiki. Groink 05:48, 15 Aug 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing up the disagreement. I do agree with you on the only time hanzi should be placed. I will revert the page now.--Vivi.g 21:28, 14 Aug 2009 (PST)

Further discussion...

I've copied comments from Chillyperson to Vivi.g from Vivi.g's talk page, seeing it is relevant to this discussion. I want all the discussion to stay on this page, rather than scatter it all over place. Groink 11:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please don't delete the hanzi from the Taiwanese dramas because it is a necessary component in the cast section. From the fact that one hanyu pinyin can represent a lot of Chinese characters they can help others to avoid misunderstandings. This situation also applies to the romanization of Chinese in Taiwanese drama titles and actor/actress names. Please don't delete them because most Taiwanese actors/actresses use it in their pages and DramaWiki editing standards did not restrict this. Chillyperson 01:47, 20 August 2009 (PST)

Earlier, I made the suggestion that the hanzi really should not be needed, once the character's name has been romanized. It isn't needed in the Japanese dramas articles. I don't understand why Taiwanese drama articles requires it. For one thing, you mention that there can be a variety of romanization transcriptions for a given name. I don't understand this because, if you watch the drama, you should be able to hear the character name audibly, and that in turn should secure the correct romanization. That's how we do it on the Japanese drama side. Couldn't you apply the same practice to Taiwanese dramas? Groink 11:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)