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There's still a number of errors here and it's ambiguous how to correct them. If the RR listed is wrong and it says follow RR, then is the intention to follow RR or to use what's written?

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Hangul !! RR !! McR !! Dramawiki !! Error
|-
| ㅚ || we || oe || Use oi for final (Choi Ja Hye)  || RR should be ''oe'' and McR uses ''we''. Unclear what DW should be using.
|-
| ㅞ || wei || we || Follow RR || RR should be ''we''. Unclear what DW should be using.
|}

There may be more - will update when I spot them. --[[User:Vylmen|Vylmen]] ([[User talk:Vylmen|talk]]) 21:52, 15 July 2020 (PDT)


:As far as I can tell, ㅚ is ''oe'' in both RR and McR, so it should be listed as: Use ''oi'' for final (Choi Ja Hye), otherwise follow RR

:Yes, I agree that ㅞ appears to be ''we'' in both RR and McR, so it should be listed as: Follow RR

:Aside from the common surname ''Choi'', neither character is regularly used in Korean names. 


:Another more fundamental issue with these guidelines is that over the years many artists have been entered into the database, not following these rules at all.  Deference has been given to spellings commonly used on other sites or spellings preferred by the artists themselves (or their agencies). 

:;Examples  
*Most instances of 강 are entered as ''Kang'', rather than ''Gang''.  
*Most instances of 교 are ''Kyu'', rather than ''Gyoo''.
*Most instances of of 려 are ''Ryu'', rather than ''Ryoo''.
*There are far more cases of 서 listed as ''Seo'', rather than ''Suh''.  
*Likewise 여 is usually ''Yeo'', not ''Yuh''. 
*고 is sometimes ''Ko'' and sometimes ''Go''.
*구 is sometimes ''Goo'' and sometimes ''Koo''.

:It's a mess.

:--[[User:FritzB|FritzB]] ([[User talk:FritzB|talk]]) 05:36, 16 July 2020 (PDT)

::I'm guessing this is a spelling mistake:
:::''As far as I can tell, ㅚ is ''eo'' in both RR and McR''

::Both the updated link [http://www.mcst.go.kr/english/koreaInfo/language/romanization.jsp here],  [[wikipedia:Revised Romanization of Korean|here]] and [https://www.korean.go.kr/front_eng/roman/roman_01.do here] list o before e, not e before o.

:::''Deference has been given to spellings commonly used on other sites or spellings preferred by the artists themselves (or their agencies).''
::Right, but in the absence of that information, it is handy to have a well-documented preference.

::I agree it's messy, but it's understandable, given the speed with which enterprises and governments do IT upgrades (*cough*) and hardcopy documents being costly to replace. In the Netherlands we had a change of rules for when to use dashes in words and when to write a silent ''n'' in word contractions that use plural forms (pancake = pannekoek, which is pannen (plural, pans) + koek (cake), but the n is silent and not written). The cost of text book replacements alone was tremendous and no one actually cared, but a few language obsessives. --[[User:Vylmen|Vylmen]] ([[User talk:Vylmen|talk]]) 04:28, 17 July 2020 (PDT)

:::Yes, I meant ''oe''.

:::I agree, it is good to have guidelines.  I just wanted to make you aware that in practice, those guidelines have simply not been followed in many cases.  

:::Revised Romanization is a very good system and it is considered the "official" one by the South Korean government, but few Koreans actually know or use it.

:::As a native English-speaker, I would never be critical of the irregular spelling rules of any other language.  English spelling is absolutely the worst mess of inconsistent rules and artifacts of medieval pronunciations that only make sense to etymologists (people who study word origins). --[[User:FritzB|FritzB]] ([[User talk:FritzB|talk]]) 05:36, 17 July 2020 (PDT)

== Proposal for changes and consistency updates ==

{{:User:vylmen/doc-change}}
--[[User:Vylmen|Vylmen]] ([[User talk:Vylmen|talk]]) 17:37, 21 July 2020 (PDT)
:Nicely done ;D I think you are free to proceed with the proposal if you want. We got very few committed editors for Korean pages, most editors will just come and go so they wont really bother to look up at the guidelines. As for me, i'm not an expert in Korean Romanization (i learnt the basic hangul alphabets only), as long as no dash and the 1st alphabet of each syllable is in capital, im okay with Suh or Seo. Tbh, i dont really strict with the romanisation as we are not Korean native anyway, as long as they sound and look nice, i will just leave it. You can always move the page accordingly. We have over 3500++ pages of Korean actors/actresses here and it would take a great effort to correct the wrong ones. I for once tried to clean up and update info on pages of Korean actors previously by following the alphabetical order but in the end i just gave up, lol. It will be endless, unless we got advanced system/bot to make it auto-edit/correct but so far, everything here still needs to be done manually. --[[User:Natokajun|Natokajun]] ([[User talk:Natokajun|talk]]) 09:14, 22 July 2020 (PDT)

== New version ==

Took a side track and a lot of testing, but now I have the new version available [[User:Vylmen/Romanization|here]]. I've used this to create new pages and looked at [[User:FritzB]]'s corrections and adjusted accordingly. I've tried to make the wording and format as consistent as possible. If there's any oversight or rule I missed, please let me know here. --[[User:Vylmen|Vylmen]] ([[User talk:Vylmen|talk]]) 04:54, 17 August 2020 (PDT)