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There's still a number of errors here and it's ambiguous how to correct them. If the RR listed is wrong and it says follow RR, then is the intention to follow RR or to use what's written?

Hangul	RR	McR	Dramawiki	Error
ㅚ	we	oe	Use oi for final (Choi Ja Hye)	RR should be oe and McR uses we. Unclear what DW should be using.
ㅞ	wei	we	Follow RR	RR should be we. Unclear what DW should be using.

There may be more - will update when I spot them. --Vylmen (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2020 (PDT)

As far as I can tell, ㅚ is oe in both RR and McR, so it should be listed as: Use oi for final (Choi Ja Hye), otherwise follow RR

Yes, I agree that ㅞ appears to be we in both RR and McR, so it should be listed as: Follow RR

Aside from the common surname Choi, neither character is regularly used in Korean names.

Another more fundamental issue with these guidelines is that over the years many artists have been entered into the database, not following these rules at all. Deference has been given to spellings commonly used on other sites or spellings preferred by the artists themselves (or their agencies).

Examples

• Most instances of 강 are entered as Kang, rather than Gang.
• Most instances of 교 are Kyu, rather than Gyoo.
• Most instances of of 려 are Ryu, rather than Ryoo.
• There are far more cases of 서 listed as Seo, rather than Suh.
• Likewise 여 is usually Yeo, not Yuh.
• 고 is sometimes Ko and sometimes Go.
• 구 is sometimes Goo and sometimes Koo.

It's a mess.

--FritzB (talk) 05:36, 16 July 2020 (PDT)

I'm guessing this is a spelling mistake:

As far as I can tell, ㅚ is eo in both RR and McR

Both the updated link here, here and here list o before e, not e before o.

Deference has been given to spellings commonly used on other sites or spellings preferred by the artists themselves (or their agencies).

Right, but in the absence of that information, it is handy to have a well-documented preference.

I agree it's messy, but it's understandable, given the speed with which enterprises and governments do IT upgrades (*cough*) and hardcopy documents being costly to replace. In the Netherlands we had a change of rules for when to use dashes in words and when to write a silent n in word contractions that use plural forms (pancake = pannekoek, which is pannen (plural, pans) + koek (cake), but the n is silent and not written). The cost of text book replacements alone was tremendous and no one actually cared, but a few language obsessives. --Vylmen (talk) 04:28, 17 July 2020 (PDT)

Yes, I meant oe.

I agree, it is good to have guidelines. I just wanted to make you aware that in practice, those guidelines have simply not been followed in many cases.

Revised Romanization is a very good system and it is considered the "official" one by the South Korean government, but few Koreans actually know or use it.

As a native English-speaker, I would never be critical of the irregular spelling rules of any other language. English spelling is absolutely the worst mess of inconsistent rules and artifacts of medieval pronunciations that only make sense to etymologists (people who study word origins). --FritzB (talk) 05:36, 17 July 2020 (PDT)

Proposal for changes and consistency updates

Change proposal to Dramawiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences.

I would like to propose the following changes to this document, based on how it's been followed. The rationale is that if the majority doesn't follow the rule, change the rule.

Letter	RR	Dramawiki	Reason for change
Artist or agency preference overrides any of these rules, except the use of dashes: DramaWiki always uses a space to separate name parts. So Yoon Chan Young not Yoon Chan-young.			Add as primary exception. We may want to state what counts as a preference: do we simply take the spelling an agency uses or do they have to communicate it. If it is "take agency spelling from their site", then when you know the agency, you don't have to look through the table.
ᄀ	g/k	Follow RR (Go Ah Ra, Suk Bo Bae), exceptions: 김 is always Kim (Kim Ae Ran]) 강 is always Kang (Kang Boo Ja, Choi Kang Hee) if followed by ᅲ use Kyu (Kim Yong Kyu, Lee Sun Kyun) if followed by ᅧ use Kyu (for example Kyun Mi Ri and Kim Kyung Hee)	Following what has been entered for Kang and Kyu
ㅣ	i	Follow RR (for example Min Do Hee), except for: Surname 이 becomes Lee (Lee Ae Jung) 일 becomes il (Jung Il Woo) 이 becomes yi in all other cases (So Yi Hyun and Yoon So Yi)	Il is nowhere written as Yil
ㅚ	oe	Follow RR, exception: oi for final (Choi Ja Hye) Note: No known an example where ㅚ is not final. It may not exist in names.	Current rule is an error as RR uses oe not we.
ᅰ	we	Follow RR	Current rule uses wrong RR representation
ᅥ	eo	Use our own rules: 서 becomes Suh. However, Seo is just as common, which may come from artist / agency preference (Suh Hyun Joo and Kim Hyo Seo). Use uh over eo if beginning with ㅇ (Uh Soo Sun, Im Sung Uhn). Use u over eo in any other instances (Sung Hoon).	Current example actually redirects to usage of eo. Provide unambiguous examples. State Suh versus Seo in practice: Several Suh redirect to Seo. Some redirects still have the Suh version as primary name (Suh Do Young, Suh Ji Hee) Some don't, but then put the Suh version as being RR in brackets (Suh Ji Hee) Most Seo list Suh in brackets as if Revised Romanization, which is incorrect. Where it's done correctly is Seo Bum Suk, wrong Seo Bum Shik, Seo Chan Ho, etc. Page name Suh, primary name Seo, RR name Suh: Suh Ji Hee It might be a good idea to clean these up and provide consistency: When page URL uses Seo (without redirects): Make sure Seo is used as preferred name Move Suh version to Also known as: Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules and remove the it if identical to preferred name. When page URL uses Suh (without redirects): Make sure Suh is used as preferred name Correctly romanize the name according to RR rules Move any alternate spelling that is not RR nor URL version to Also known as:

I'd also like to remove the McR column from the table. For me personally it was confusing and every time I looked up a letter, I had to check if I was referring to the correct column. If we're basing the rules on RR, McR isn't relevant so why clutter the document with information that shouldn't be used. --Vylmen (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2020 (PDT)

Nicely done ;D I think you are free to proceed with the proposal if you want. We got very few committed editors for Korean pages, most editors will just come and go so they wont really bother to look up at the guidelines. As for me, i'm not an expert in Korean Romanization (i learnt the basic hangul alphabets only), as long as no dash and the 1st alphabet of each syllable is in capital, im okay with Suh or Seo. Tbh, i dont really strict with the romanisation as we are not Korean native anyway, as long as they sound and look nice, i will just leave it. You can always move the page accordingly. We have over 3500++ pages of Korean actors/actresses here and it would take a great effort to correct the wrong ones. I for once tried to clean up and update info on pages of Korean actors previously by following the alphabetical order but in the end i just gave up, lol. It will be endless, unless we got advanced system/bot to make it auto-edit/correct but so far, everything here still needs to be done manually. --Natokajun (talk) 09:14, 22 July 2020 (PDT)

New version

Took a side track and a lot of testing, but now I have the new version available here. I've used this to create new pages and looked at User:FritzB's corrections and adjusted accordingly. I've tried to make the wording and format as consistent as possible. If there's any oversight or rule I missed, please let me know here. --Vylmen (talk) 04:54, 17 August 2020 (PDT)